Stepping In Faith
Stepping In Faith is a podcast that deepens your walk with Jesus each week by exploring the heart of faith, love, and relationships from a Spirit-led perspective. Each episode focuses on building intimate relationships with Jesus Christ, strengthening marriages, providing guidance for singles, and fostering healthy, God-centered connections.
Stepping In Faith
Godly Relationships: Part Two
What does it truly mean to be a godly wife? In this profound continuation of their series on godly relationships, Walter and Shanea unpack the sacred role of women in marriage with remarkable spiritual insight and practical wisdom.
The episode opens with a powerful revelation about the spiritual significance of a woman's womb. "Do you know how important it is for women to be in a place for God to use them to create images of Him?" Shanea shares this divine message that highlights how a woman's reproductive power can birth either "a nation rooted in sin or a nation after God's own heart." Through the biblical story of Abraham and Sarah, we see how decisions made outside God's timing can create generational consequences.
The conversation dives deep into Genesis 3:16, revealing how the fallen relationship dynamic between men and women emerged after sin entered the world - not as God's original design, but as a consequence of the Fall. Walter and Shanea masterfully contrast this with Ephesians 5:22-24, showing God's redemptive plan where submission isn't about inferiority but "voluntarily loving unconditionally and empowering one another."
Their examination of Proverbs 31 reveals something rarely discussed: that a virtuous wife can only be truly appreciated by a man of noble, godly character. "Why would you commit to someone who is not noble?" Shanea challenges, likening it to "giving the keys of a Rolls Royce to someone who doesn't know how to maintain it."
Perhaps most compelling is their discussion of spiritual leadership in marriage. When men lack spiritual maturity, they often compensate by becoming controlling in other areas. The solution? Both partners must submit to Christ and return to God's original design in Genesis 1:26-28, where man and woman were called to "govern together" as equal partners.
Whether you're single, dating, or married, this episode offers transformative insights on aligning relationships with God's divine blueprint. Subscribe now and join us next week as we continue exploring faith's impact on every aspect of life.
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Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where, together, we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact the relationship you have with others. I'm your host, walter, and I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife. Shanea. This is episode 17.
SHANEA:17.
WALTER:Let's see Did I pray last week or did you pray?
SHANEA:I prayed.
WALTER:Okay, well, welcome back everyone to another episode. The way that we like to begin this off is in prayer, so I will pray, since my wife prayed last week. Father God, as we come before you this evening, we thank you for your love, your mercy and your grace. We thank you that, even in the midst of everything going on, that you are still greater and that there is none that is greater than you. We submit and we surrender ourselves to you, placing our trust and our reliance in you, and we ask that your perfect will be carried out in our lives like never before. Will be carried out in our lives like never before. We welcome your spirit into this home. We ask that you would take full control of this podcast. Allow your glory to be experienced, god. Allow your presence to be experienced. We surrender and submit this to you even now. We thank you, we worship and magnify your name. Lord Jesus, we welcome you, we submit to you. Holy Spirit, have your way. In Jesus' name, we pray Amen. Amen.
WALTER:So this is episode 17. What is the name of this week's episode, babe?
SHANEA:Well, is it episode 17, or is it just like a part two of episode 16? No, it's episode 17. You tried, I wanted to give us another episode. Huh, no, you did.
WALTER:This is episode 17.
SHANEA:Episode 17, godly Relationships part two.
WALTER:Godly Relationships relationships part two. Godly relationships part two. So brief overview. Last week we started on uh. We discussed the importance of godly relationships. We touched on marriage being an institution that was designed by god yeah uh, we touched on the misconception of marriage from the culture and people thinking it was all about sex. We touched on the role of individuals before they get married and we spent some time discussing the role of a husband in marriages, because they always talk about Proverbs 31, but they never discuss Ephesians 5.
SHANEA:Ephesians, 5, man.
WALTER:Yes, we rarely hear it in church, and so last week was all about Ephesians 5. So this week we are, as promised, delving into what it means to be a godly wife.
SHANEA:A godly wife.
WALTER:And full disclaimer. I don't think it's something that I should be discussing. I will be chiming in. I will be chiming in, but I've always had a pet peeve when we hear men tell women how to be wives. Yeah.
WALTER:And a lot of times what ends up happening is you hear a man telling a woman what he desires in that wife instead of who God has called her to be yeah, that wife instead of who God has called her to be, and no one better. I don't think there's anyone better to talk about what it means to be a godly wife other than a woman that has a relationship with God and has a revelation on what that means and is actually a wife. So I can give an overview of it based on scripture, but I believe that, based on your personal walk with god, you can provide better insight into an understanding of what it means to be that okay so I'm not disagreeing with you.
SHANEA:I think it's weird when women and it's not, it's something that I used to do because, I don't know, it was just culture, I guess you always had men talking about how a man should treat a woman, but how the woman is supposed to respond, or how the man responds to the treatment the woman gives, or how you're supposed to act as a wife, or what men need. These are five things that men need in a relationship to keep him happy. Yeah, these are seven things a woman should do, and it's always centered around In a marriage.
WALTER:It's this idea. We've heard quite a few things. There's this misconception of it, men feeling as if they have the ability to control women, and so they tell women you need to learn to be submissive so. I can control you. We have this misconception of them stating that the only thing that the woman can provide is sex, not even intimacy. Sex, yeah, cook for me.
SHANEA:Yeah, you gotta be butt booty naked.
WALTER:Yeah, cook for me. Be clean, clean your house.
SHANEA:Cooking me some chicken.
WALTER:Move out the way when I'm watching TV.
SHANEA:Don't bother me. That's all I need Be simple.
WALTER:And when I go out, don't ask me where I'm at.
SHANEA:Yo, that was crazy.
WALTER:I saw that video, and so these are some of the things that men ask for women.
SHANEA:I'm your leader. I'm like what are we on the Syfy channel?
WALTER:Yes.
SHANEA:Are we aliens?
WALTER:Slaves. We touched on it before.
SHANEA:It's this desire to dictate, be dictators in a relationship but, I yield to you, babe, where we starting it tonight, tonight, okay well, I'm going to start off on what the lord spoke to me about, um, basically a message that he wanted to give to the ladies, um. So I'm going to start there because I don't want to get too deep and not say that I forget what the Lord has said, but I think it's important that we speak about what he wants me to say.
WALTER:Okay, you're going to have to be mindful of that earpiece, because you are. You'll be putting the camera out of focus.
SHANEA:This one.
WALTER:Yeah, make sure you're not putting it on there. It's falling.
SHANEA:Okay, is the other one in? Yes, and, but this one, this one is. Well, I'll try. Okay, and not touch it. I know it was a little out of focus last time.
WALTER:Yeah, I don't remember what I was doing it'd be the same with me if you adjust.
SHANEA:That's why I try to keep this hand down yeah, but it's hard because my glasses kind of keep falling off too yeah, we're gonna do it together.
SHANEA:Um. So you know, when I, um, we had our, I already had like some stuff to talk about last week, um, for the ladies. But then you know, as we were getting ready to leave, what was that saturday, we were getting ready to go out saturday, yeah, and it was 12, 22 and um, I asked the lord what he wanted to say, because god speaks to me in numbers. I don't know if any other numbers girls or guys out there, just ask the lord lord, why am I seeing these synchronicities? He don't speaks to me in numbers. I don't know if any other numbers girls or guys out there, just ask the Lord, lord, why am I seeing these synchronicities?
WALTER:He don't speak to me in numbers, so I don't be knowing what my wife be talking about when she be going through that process.
SHANEA:But yes, God can speak to you in numbers. So if you see synchronicities like 222-1111, it's something the Lord want to say and you'll figure out how he speaks to you. You just have to ask.
WALTER:Remember that hand.
SHANEA:Oh yeah, sorry. Okay. So I was like Lord what do you want? What do you want to say to me right now? And he said there's some message I want you to speak on tomorrow when you record which is today.
WALTER:No, that was yesterday. Or was it yesterday? It was two days ago. No, oh, he gave you something else Sunday.
SHANEA:It was yesterday. Okay, go ahead Anyway. So I'll read what he said. And what I heard the Holy Spirit say is and this is kind of long, so bear with me he was speaking to me- for a minute.
WALTER:Let's dive right in then.
SHANEA:Yes. Do you know how important it is for women to be in a place for God to use them to create images of him? It's so important we procreate with. It's so important who we procreate with, because we can birth a nation rooted in sin or a nation after God's own heart. The most important decision any woman makes is who to procreate with. We are one of God's most beautiful creations. He said that. He said you women are God's, is God's.
WALTER:Don't look at me when you say that I'm not a woman, I'm a man.
SHANEA:Most beautiful creations. I thought I saw a little jealousy over there.
WALTER:Nah, I'm chilling. No, he over there. Nah, I'm chilling.
SHANEA:No, he says that.
WALTER:Man, we good too Go ahead.
SHANEA:It's very important that this message gets out. I was like, okay, he said, to tell them I love them, I adore them, my daughters of heaven them.
SHANEA:I adore them, my daughters of heaven. Your womb crushes the heads of dragons, serpents, rulers and principal, and Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Truth is in the womb. Life is in the womb. The way to life is through the womb. What is birth in the spirit? Is birth in the natural? What are you birthing? Giving life to? Light or darkness, death or life? This concludes this message. Is what he said. This concludes this message. I was like okay, and then, after that, I had this revelation that I've had before, like when I was in a shower and I wrote it down it's in the shower written on the shower wall.
SHANEA:But I had this revelation in reference to Abraham and Sarah, and what I got was if the enemy can get to your womb, he'll birth a bloodline rooted in darkness. And there was this thought that was placed in Sarah right To contrary to what God had already promised Abraham about them having a child. There was a thought. There was a thought that was influenced, and so she decided to prematurely have a child, not through her womb but through the womb of hagar. So prematurely abraham had a child with hagar, and hagar literally birthed a bloodline rooted in paganism and and birthed Babylon.
SHANEA:All through Ishmael, his lineage consisted of continuous wars with the children of Israel yeah With God's kingdom, and I mean it God's kingdom, and I mean it divided a nation.
WALTER:To add to Abraham, though Abraham didn't seek out additional guidance from God.
SHANEA:No, he didn't.
WALTER:So, even when Sarah presented the idea, he didn't know enough to say no. And yet Abraham still was in disobedience because he still wanted God to bless. And yet Abraham still was in disobedience because he still wanted God to bless and he was still trying to say that Ishmael would be the seed that God would bless. And God had to make him aware. And now it comes through Sarah.
SHANEA:But there's that struggle.
WALTER:But as you were saying that and this goes into women, what my wife was just discussing Genesis 20 verse, let's see one through. Verse six, right, and it says abraham moves out south to the nagiv and lived for a while between Kadesh and Shur, and then he moved on to Gerar. While living there as a foreigner, Abraham introduced his wife Sarah by saying she is my sister.
WALTER:So King Ablamech or Ablamech if we're butchering these names, please forgive us of Gerar sent for Sarah and had her brought to him at his palace. But that night God came to Ablamech in a dream and told him you are a dead man, for the woman you have taken is already married. But Ablamech had not slept with her yet. So he said Lord, will you destroy an innocent nation? Didn't Abraham tell me she is my sister? And she herself said yes, he is my brother. I acted in complete innocence. My hands are clean. In the dream, god responded yes, I know you are innocent.
Speaker 2:That's why I kept you from sinning against me and why I did not let you touch her.
WALTER:Now, return the woman to her husband and he will pray for you, for he is a prophet. Then you will live. But if you don't return her to him, you can be sure that you and all of your people will die. That part is so important and I don't know if I'm touching into your subject or your notes. Am I digging into your notes?
SHANEA:No, you're good, Go ahead.
WALTER:That part is so important because it provides proof of what you're saying the importance of the womb. Sarah's womb was so important because she didn't have a child as of yet.
SHANEA:Exactly, and.
WALTER:God didn't want anything coming in between the promise that he had for Isaac, because Jesus came by way of who he was tied to Isaac and so the interesting thing and this is not giving men the right of way to do the stuff that they're doing but we didn't see God say any of these things when it came to Abraham, any of these things when it came to abraham yeah, abraham stepped out and had an affair with hagar, yet with sarah, because of who sarah is and what's tied to sarah and the importance of sarah's womb, god would not let anyone touch that womb no, because he literally birthed jesus through that womb yet the problem is that we find ourself in king if we know this and I don't believe this king was a Christian, but the king could hear from God.
WALTER:Yeah, so part of the issue that women run into with your womb you can't hear God speaking or you don't yield to the Holy Spirit or to. God, when God is trying to forewarn you not to have a child with particular people. Yes. Not to allow that it goes, not even just having a child. Don't allow anyone to even put any sperm inside you.
SHANEA:Yeah.
WALTER:Even if you take we talked about the medication and you've taken a medication to stop the birth from taking place the morning after pill, yeah, abortion. These are still covenants that you are allowing yourself to come into alignment with, demonic covenants, with men who are wicked men, who are demonic men, and we talked about what, and hopefully I'm not stepping on your no you're good, babe, this is good we talk about how you end up defiling your womb yeah, you defile your womb by who you allow in your holiest of holies.
SHANEA:This is a place where you birth forth life.
SHANEA:You birth forth, either a generation rooted in sin or a generation rooted in holiness and righteousness, bearing children in the image of god, where god said in the beginning you were to be fruitful and multiply. God created us in his image and you're supposed to multiply his image. So it's like you don't even have rights to your womb. So, because you don't even have rights to your womb, who are you to say, hey, you know what? God, I'm gonna let this man in here, I'm gonna procreate with this man or I'm gonna give him the opportunity to defile my womb yeah, but they're going to say that's not scriptural what you're saying To defile someone's womb.
WALTER:Where's the scripture at? To prove that, you know, I had to be the person to say that. That's what they would say.
SHANEA:So I would say you found a scripture for that. Oh, you found a scripture for it. You were looking through my notes.
WALTER:Oh, you already got it in there.
SHANEA:No, I'm just saying you had got a little revelation over there.
WALTER:No, we talked about this earlier and I was looking.
SHANEA:Oh, okay, Because somebody might say hey, this is not scripturally based. Mm-hmm. Catch this by the spirit, okay.
WALTER:I'm looking for it right now it was here before because the scripture talks about so there's leviticus no, but even you, 18 and 20, and it says that and this is I believe this is new king james version you shall not lie carnally with your neighbor's wife to defile yourself with her.
SHANEA:So but even if you go.
WALTER:What is that, ephesians? That's Leviticus. What are you talking about? What you're about to talk?
SHANEA:about, yeah, where Paul talks about sexual immorality. You are defiling your own body, you're committing sin against your own body. This goes for men and women. So the women have a womb men, don't't so. If you're defiling your body, if you're committing sin against your body, you're committing sin in your womb.
WALTER:You birth life through a womb mm-hmm, and the scripture I'm thinking about is Deuteronomy 23, verse 2. It's right here. This is NLT. It says so. This is letting us know that you can become defiled by birth based on being in disobedience. Now we have the new covenant.
SHANEA:Right, that's what I was about to say. That's why we have the new covenant, we have the new covenant.
WALTER:However, it's a process and you know there's challenges that, unfortunately, women don't even realize that they end up going through as they go from being under an illegal covenant covenant or illegitimate covenants unto under the, into getting into the rightful covenant with god by way of the power of the holy spirit. Yeah, and jesus christ, the blood of jesus christ actually because that creates that new covenant. But a lot of times women don't even go through the process of renouncing those said covenants and committing themselves to that new covenant no because the woman of god just talked about early that we was listening to with emily um emma emma, sorry, prophet emma.
WALTER:Uh, the importance of having a relationship with god. But go ahead, babe, I'm not going to step on you no, no, you good, you good, babe, you good. No, it's important so where are we going now?
SHANEA:so we're gonna start at the beginning, um where it all started where the struggle started um between man and woman gen.
SHANEA:Genesis. Genesis 3.16. Says to the woman he said I will surely multiply your pain and childbearing In pain. You shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you. So here we see that there's a struggle right, for power and control, and we see this in the world. But this is not how God designed us. It's not how God designed women to be. Women try and try to control their husbands and husbands shouldn't try to control their wives, right, and so your desire to be contrary to your husband in hebrew, um desire, this particular um desire is tashukwa.
WALTER:Yeah, I was about to let you pronounce that Tshukwa.
SHANEA:Tshukwa.
WALTER:Okay.
SHANEA:It implies a desire to dominate or control, and he shall rule over you. And rule in this particular verse means Michelle.
WALTER:Michelle.
SHANEA:It suggests governance, but this represents a fallen dynamic, not god's original design. And I want to go back to where um it says your desire shall be contrary to your husband. Your desire, meaning in your tashukwa desire, means uh to control, your desire to control or dominate your husband. It's the same verbiage that God used when he talks to Cain, where he says sin is crouching at your door.
WALTER:Or knocking at your door.
SHANEA:Sin is knocking at your door and that sin desires you. It means control. In that sense sin desires to control you. He wants to control you and he did you know me?
WALTER:yeah, he did he did, he did he did so.
SHANEA:So we see in 3.16, God's original design is for unity.
WALTER:Yes.
SHANEA:But because they sinned. There's now an imbalance in the relationship where the woman desires to be the head and the man is going to rule over her.
WALTER:He's going to try and control her, Not in love, but out of dominance so dictating right which is a reflection of the culture now, because you have um women now who desire this. Not speaking against anyone which is calling it what it is, you have women that struggle with the desire to be in control yeah, and. And you have men who resist that, so they become even more controlling. Mm-hmm. And so it's become the norm, because of this being something that's been going on for centuries. Mm-hmm.
WALTER:So it now has become a part of the culture, even within the body of Christ, mm-hmm a part of the culture, even within the body of Christ.
SHANEA:And so I know men they like to use and we don't talk about the Ephesians 5, man, but they like to use the scripture wives Ephesians 5, 22, 24. Submit Wives, submit to your husbands, but they forget the rest of the scripture.
WALTER:What's the rest of the scripture, babe? What we talked about last week?
SHANEA:Ephesians 5, 22-24. Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord, For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church. His body is himself its savior. Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. This is God's redemptive plan for marriage.
WALTER:So what's the key thing there? It starts out with what the husband's submitting to Christ. Mm-hmm.
SHANEA:As Christ submits, well, as the church submits to Christ. Mm-hmm or Christ. I mean as the church submits to Christ, or Christ I mean the men should love their wives as Christ loves the church.
WALTER:As Christ loves the church, Yet it also. You have to submit yourself to Christ, but also as such we talked about this last week Christ also became what you would be, what you, what you would consider. Excuse me, Tong Tai, a master servant.
SHANEA:Yes, we talked on that last week. He was a servant.
WALTER:He serves.
SHANEA:Yeah, he was served.
WALTER:He serves.
SHANEA:He was humble.
WALTER:He was full of humility, but I won't take you back. Continue, babe, because you're touching on some good stuff.
SHANEA:No, you're good, you're good, you're good, it's just um. So here we see paul talking about god's redemptive plan. So this is god's original plan is for wives to submit to their husbands, husbands to submit to their wives, but husbands should also be submitted to the Lord and wives should also be submitted to the Lord.
WALTER:Yes, and they govern together.
SHANEA:Yes. But after the fall of man, both parties became consumed with wanting to be in control yeah, one, one head over the other, instead of being, instead of unity, instead of harmony, instead of walking together the way that god called them to to dominate which is rooted in pride.
WALTER:Yeah, which is a reflection of who your father is prior to committing yourself to christ right your father is the enemy, and the enemy is extremely prideful.
SHANEA:Right, right, right, right. And so when we see the word submit here, when we're talking about unity, when we're talking about a harmonized relationship, submitting is not about inferiority right's. It's not about someone being higher than the other. It's about voluntarily loving unconditionally right and empowering one another. So submitting is I am submitting to your authority, because we both rule right and we both have our own given gifts. We have our own positions, but we're still rulers right. But I'm submitting to your authority. You're a king, I'm a queen. I'm submitting to your authority, your, your authority.
Speaker 2:You're a king, I'm a queen, I'm submitting to your authority, under the authority of christ.
SHANEA:As long as you're following christ, I'm submitting to you, but I'm while I'm submitting to you, I'm also submitting to christ, because that's who you're following, that's your leader I despise the king queen thing, but okay, you know I don't like that but no, I'm, I'm just like as I'm talking about as far as rulership it's the only thing I could think of understand. But yes, I'm not gonna call you. I'm not gonna call you king there's only one king in this household exactly.
WALTER:Yeah, continue, king jesus amen the lordship type situation yes so, but no, that that makes sense. Um it, so it's. When you look at submission, it's not about inferiority but voluntarily loving and empowering each other. And I think when you shift that and have that view as far as women, it shifts the idea. And I believe the struggle with women sometimes and you can correct me if I'm wrong is when men talk about submitting, they talk about it from a more so, from a perspective of control.
SHANEA:Subservient, subservient, yeah.
WALTER:I control you. You do what I say. Do as.
Speaker 4:I say, do it, and there's no submission to that woman. That's not submission.
WALTER:Yeah, and you're not even submitted to Christ. Exactly which is why you approach it that way. Exactly, we go back to Ephesians 5 and it says love your wives, as Christ loves the church. And further down, paul talks about love her like you would love yourself. Would you mistreat yourself?
SHANEA:Yeah, yeah. But the thing is is with submission is, and it's crazy, because how, how do you, as a man, expect a woman to submit to you, when you and we talked about this in the last episode that you're a role model, right? You teach her how she's supposed to love or submit by you submitting to Christ.
WALTER:Yeah, you're not submitted to Christ, so you can't, it's impossible.
SHANEA:And you can't love without loving Christ first.
WALTER:Or you have a false, there's a false identity. So there's this false concept of kind of being submitted to Christ but not really being submitted. You know it's not. You say Jesusesus christ name.
SHANEA:You say that you pray really, but you're not submitted.
WALTER:Your fruit doesn't show that you walk with christ exactly, you don't have a relationship and it's all about relationship. So that's very true. That's very true.
SHANEA:Yeah, but we'll move on I don't want to stay here too long.
WALTER:We could, and I'm trying to be mindful of time even as we're doing this, so we don't turn this into a two hour, cause it becomes. It can become a two hour situation.
SHANEA:It can become a two hour situation.
WALTER:I'm trying to be mindful, cause you got some notes here.
SHANEA:Cause we can Listen here, because we can listen you all don't see the notes.
WALTER:I see the notes because we can go deep. I see the notes, we can go deep. We got, we got section three. We got a, b, c, d, so I'm gonna let you continue babe.
SHANEA:No. So section three is literally just going over proverbs 31 um woman, um, starting from verse 10 right, where it says who can find a virtuous wife? For her worth is far above rubies, and the revelation that I had got was a virtuous wife comes from? It comes from her godly character, right, that's found in Proverbs 18.22. And appreciated by a man of noble character. But the man has to be noble in order for him to recognize a virtuous woman, right? So what does noble mean?
WALTER:Noble. Do you have the definition here?
SHANEA:No, I don't.
WALTER:Let me see. Let's see, no, from a biblical perspective or just in general.
SHANEA:Just in general, noble.
WALTER:Belonging to a hereditary class with high social or political status, having assuring fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals.
SHANEA:Having high moral principles, integrity and honor, high status, belonging to a high social or political class, impressive or grand. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So you have to be a man of morality, integrity and honor, and you have to be in the presence of the Lord in order to recognize a virtuous woman, because she would be, she would have a godly character, and you don't know what a godly character is if you don't possess it. So they're like I want a Proverbs 31 wife. Her worth is far above Ruby's.
WALTER:And we touch on that a lot. We touch on Proverbs 31 wife all the time but once again, we don't touch on Ephesians 5 and what it means to be a man that's submitted to god. So, like when you talk about high class, what I think of is someone who uh, what comes to mind? It's like someone who has a relationship with god, yeah, and they understand who they are in christ. And when you have a relationship with God and you understand who you are in Christ, it shifts how you move.
SHANEA:So the question to the ladies is why would you commit or be in a relationship with someone who is not noble? You commit or be in a relationship with someone who is not noble? He won't even, he doesn't even he won't even recognize you.
WALTER:And when we're saying no, but we're talking from the perspective of them being godly yeah, not a form of godliness. No, but actually have the relationship, the power of god which brings forth the change of character right.
SHANEA:Does he have the character of god? Does he have a godly character? Yeah, right, um. Does he take on the nature of the holy spirit? Is he kind, is he loving?
WALTER:first of all, is he who god called you be with, but if he, is for starters, but you will notice this in his fruit because he can be who god has called you to be with, but he hasn't been processed. And the thing and hopefully you catch this, the thing is, ladies, that you can be where God has called you to be, but if he has not gone through the process, he still would mistreat you.
SHANEA:Yes, because he doesn't understand your worth.
WALTER:No, it's only through the power of Christ that he's able to understand that. That he's able to understand that because what has to take place, as he goes through the process, as he begins, he began to view you through the lens of Christ, through the lens of God, and it's a difference. Yeah, and viewing you from that perspective.
SHANEA:Yeah, and I know you talked to the girlies about you know if, if someone is driving a certain particular type of car, if they're driving like a Kia and then they upgrade to a Maybach. Essentially and this is nothing against anyone they are not going to be able to treat that Maybach like it needs to be treated.
WALTER:It's nothing against those in this position, but you wouldn't give the keys to a Rolls Royce to a homeless person and expect them to be able to maintain that car.
SHANEA:To keep his value.
WALTER:They're not going to be able to because they don't have an understanding of how to, so a lot of times, what women do is you give the keys to yourself to men, when you are literally the you're priceless and you give that over to a man. Yeah. And because he has no understanding on how to treat you, he ends up mistreating you yes misusing you, abusing you so by the time you defiling you.
WALTER:Yes, so by the time he's done and you come to the person, god has come to you, or a call for you to be with, you're broken, you're uh, you're rejected, your value has gone your value has gone down. Your value has gone down and now. God has to take you through the process, or you end up devaluing yourself, and when you end up devaluing yourself, you won't value who God has brought you to be with.
SHANEA:Exactly Because now you don't even recognize who you are the Rolls Royce.
WALTER:Yes.
SHANEA:Because you're used to being treated like a Kia. Nothing against those who have a kia?
WALTER:no, nothing, I drove a kia, we talked about it in the back of the day a pinto, a pinto.
SHANEA:Yes a humpty. You're used to being treated like a humpty, so you don't even recognize that you're a rose royce because, you're covered in, just you have to be restored.
WALTER:Yes, you have to be restored to your original design. You know I'm huge in the cars, so people will find these vehicles. Who that people have mistreated is rusted out yeah it's all of these things and they have to take it through a process of restoration. Yes and so for women. A lot of times, what you find yourself in because of culture and you go through these, situation after situation after situation, you find yourself having to go through the process of being restored, and only God can restore you back to your rightful design to your rightful place of your original beauty and the problem is we have so many people in the culture, in society that's not going through that process no, and they will tell you that you should be used.
SHANEA:But then you have people in the cultures like, oh well, she's, she's been used, I don't even want her anymore yeah, when the reality is, the reason that she's in that that place is because of what men did right, because they didn't know her worth and it's just what it is.
WALTER:Men do that they tell you if you don't do these things, then I don't want to be with you, and so you feel like you have to, or if you already are dealing with trauma or something like that. You end up feeling as if because you've been sexually, you know right.
SHANEA:So now you feel like you have to do that? Yeah, because you've been defiled as a child.
WALTER:So this is all I'm worth, this is all I can give, this is all they. This is how I get people to say I love you because let's touch on it. This is how my dad showed me that he loved me. Right. My dad said, if I didn't do this, or after my dad did this to me, every single time he would tell me that he's doing this because he loves me right, or my parents let uncle or cousin do this, and they didn't do anything about it and so now I'm not.
SHANEA:You link that to that, yeah subconsciously, subconsciously, that's your thoughts, that's your thought process yes and that starts with the defiling of your womb yes, and we gotta.
WALTER:This may be a little bit longer but we don't keep going. We don't keep going because we can stay there.
SHANEA:Yeah, so next scripture and Proverbs Proverbs 31, 13 through 14. She seeks wool and flax and works willingly with her hands. She is like the merchant ships bringing her food from afar.
WALTER:um, and I think, babe, did you redo this because my original thoughts aren't here I did not redo it, but you can look towards your original thoughts if you want to um.
SHANEA:So god gave me revelation as I was reading through this. So how?
WALTER:about you read the entire thing and then just give what god has given you for this particular part? Um, I'm gonna pull it up sorry, you guys um.
SHANEA:Proverbs 31, 13 through 14. She seeks wool and flax and works willingly with her hands. She is like the merchant ships bringing her food from afar. Basically, what God was just telling me is that a wise wife she will take, she will and everyone a wife. She turns a house into a home. She makes something out of nothing.
WALTER:You got to dig deeper.
SHANEA:She makes something out of nothing. You gotta dig deeper. She makes something out of nothing, so she, she's you. She she's creative, she's willing, willingly, with her hands. She works with her hands, she uses wool and flax and she makes something. She creates. That's what, women, that's her role. She is a creator, naturally, because she has a womb right, but she uses the wisdom that God has given her to create something out of nothing. Create that house into a home. Create that meal of what you have in a house rice and beans into something magnificent.
WALTER:You just have to create something. Yes.
SHANEA:You have a wonderful meal, right? So she brings, she provides a source of wisdom, a source of creativity, because it's something that you might not have thought of but you need right so there's a level of wisdom.
WALTER:There's a level of wisdom and insight that is connected to her, that if you don't recognize that, you will um forfeit the favor that comes from submitting to the wisdom that God has given her. God has given your wife for you. And just in general, because it's automatically placed inside her. Yeah.
SHANEA:That's the revelation of God was she will make something out of nothing. She provides life changing wisdom. Yeah. Is what the Lord gave me.
WALTER:And the challenge is submitting to that wisdom, which means, as a man, you have to be in a space of humility to submit to the wisdom, and that's why, for women, it's so important that you know who you are and you're not with anyone that would sit on your light and not allow your light to shine exactly.
SHANEA:So it's like oh, you're not here just to help your husband yes and all his endeavors. You have your own purpose, your your own gift and we touched on that last week.
WALTER:Your purpose, woman, um in in life is not to help your husband push his purpose, or your purpose in life is not to serve your husband, because a lot of women get lost they find that they're taught to find their identity in being a wife, and there's so much more to you as a woman, there's so much more to women out there in general, than just the role of being a wife.
SHANEA:Right, right.
WALTER:What has God called you to? What is the message that God has given to you that he wants you to deliver? Who have God called you to? What area has God called for you to be innovative in? What is the assignments that's been assigned to you?
SHANEA:Right.
WALTER:And it's important because one of the revelations that God gave to me earlier on about Adam is that when Adam saw Eve, he immediately said who she was. Yeah. But what God was saying is that he saw the vision and he spoke life into Eve. He spoke life into her.
SHANEA:She has her own life.
WALTER:Right, he didn't say you, he said you are a woman.
SHANEA:Exactly.
WALTER:You come from man.
SHANEA:Yes, but you are a woman.
WALTER:Exactly, you've come from man, but you are a woman. He made mention to the fact of saying to her you have your own identity outside of me Exactly.
SHANEA:You're separate from me. While we are one, you are still separate.
WALTER:Exactly, we're one, yet you're also your own individual, and I think, unfortunately for women're taught, uh, to be just one, and so your identity is tied once again into that man, when in fact, your identity should be tied into christ right.
SHANEA:Well, they use the scripture and it ties into the next section of proverbs um, I don't remember the exact scripture where it says you know he's, she's your help me right that's in genesis. Is it genesis 2 18? Can you look that up for me real quick?
SHANEA:you can go ahead and look it up okay, well, um, let's go, let's go and let's get into it. So, proverbs 31, 23 to 24 her husband is known in the gates when he sits among the elders of the land. She makes linen garments and sells them and supplies sashes for the merchants. So the revelation I got here was her husband is known at the gates, well respected by others. She assists in the presence of the Lord, she is helpful in maintaining the riches God gives them, is an assistant to her husband when it comes to providing. So she assists right. Her identity isn't found in what he's doing, she just assists with what he's doing by the guidance of the lord, in the presence of the lord. Right, because he's not. He's known at the gates and when I heard gates I'm like these are heavenly gates. I'm thinking from a spiritual perspective. You should only be assisting him if he's in the presence of the lord yes, and that was also genesis 2 and 18 that you was referring to.
WALTER:That's I believe it says help meet because of the uh, I believe that was a new king james version, or the. The king james version that referred to it as help me. Um. Yet in the new living translation, um, I believe it says helper uh right yeah, I will make a helper who is just right for him but we have to dig back into the responsibilities that was associated with adam and eve, which I believe can be found in genesis one to govern, to rule, to have domain.
SHANEA:But continue back right now, so right here you see, she's in partnership with her husband.
WALTER:Yes.
SHANEA:She's not under dictatorship. She doesn't do it just because he told her to do it. I'm pretty sure he didn't tell her to make linen garments. It's something that she can do because that's her gift, right? But she sells them to help provide for the family in addition to whatever he's doing.
WALTER:So he submits to the grace that God has upon her life, and he actually allows her to be her.
SHANEA:Exactly To rule where she has rule of shit where she has authority.
WALTER:He's not afraid or he's not threatened by her being who she's been called to be in those areas and respected for that dang.
SHANEA:I see your wife helping you.
WALTER:That's, that's, that's dope and other people recognize the wisdom that she has, the grace that she has in the favor that's upon her life, which extends to him exactly so.
SHANEA:She has her own role supporting not just supporting him, but supporting the entire household. Right? And then you go down to proverbs 31, 26 through 27 and it says when she speaks, her words are wise and she gives instructions with kindness, she carefully watches everything in her household and suffers nothing from laziness. What the lord said to me was that she minds her tongue, but only using the wisdom of god, being the perfect host for the Holy Spirit to lead her and the household. The spirit is always moving, so she will never be comfortable being lazy.
WALTER:So what is the words? Of wisdom for women in this, with these few scriptures, babe.
SHANEA:The words of wisdom is to mind your tongue.
WALTER:And men are going to like hearing that.
SHANEA:Mind your tongue, because women they like to talk, they like to pop off at the mouth. Speak reckless, yes.
WALTER:That also comes from a place of just brokenness.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:It comes from a place of brokenness.
SHANEA:It does, it, does, it does. So we do have to be mindful about how we speak. Place of just brokenness, yes, it comes from a place of brokenness. It does, it, does, it does. So we do have to be mindful about how we speak. Um, because, like, words are very powerful and if you already hold something that births forth life, imagine the amount of power you hold just speaking life and you can be speaking curses.
SHANEA:Yeah, you could be speaking curses over yourself, curses over your husband, curses over your spouse, but when, when it says here, she opens her mouth with wisdom and on her tongue is a law of kindness. So when you speak, it should only you should be led by the holy spirit. If you have a concern with your husband, or anyone for that matter, mind your tongue. Allow the holy spirit to guide you.
WALTER:It's not easy. I know it's not easy.
SHANEA:It's not easy. It's something that I've had to learn.
WALTER:Amen, sister, and I would say the Bible says. There's a scripture where the Bible says be slow to speak, slow to anger and quick to listen.
SHANEA:And that's for everybody it is.
WALTER:It is. That's for everybody, it is. It is that's for both men and women. James 1 and 10. That's for everybody. We continue babe.
SHANEA:No, I think also what's put in here Proverbs 15, 1 and Ephesians 4, 29, where the woman should speak life and wisdom into her household. So, like I said, because you already, you already hold life in your body, you hold life and death in your body and imagine what you can be speaking from just your mouth that tongue can be deadly.
WALTER:That tongue can be deadly. Your tongue is a weapon.
SHANEA:It's a weapon For sure, yeah, for sure, but a Proverbs 31 woman minds her tongue. Mm-hmm. And you can through your experiences. I'm sure a lot of women's tongues are.
WALTER:Reckless.
SHANEA:Reckless, but through the power of the Holy Spirit. Reckless, reckless, but through the power of the Holy Spirit your fruit will be shown as kindness.
WALTER:Amen, okay, especially our sisters out there. Y'all told me I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I grew up around my sisters and I have cousins and y'all boys.
SHANEA:God mercy it's a process. It's a process. We gotta allow the holy spirit to guide our tongues amen, amen, okay, amen are you so silly? Okay, where we at now no, I think the last part is just um, remember I have the revelation about she watches everything in her household and suffers nothing from laziness. So a woman who is lazy, anybody who's lazy, really that's not a fruit of the Spirit.
WALTER:No, you need to pray about that.
SHANEA:The Holy Spirit is always moving.
WALTER:That's what we would call slumber.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:It's the spirit of slumber.
SHANEA:He's always moving, always moving. I think it's important that women, just in general, submit their entire life to the, the holy spirit to the holy spirit so that the holy spirit can guide you, because you can only be a proverbs 31 woman, just like a. A man can only be a ephesians 5 man through the power of the holy spirit. Yes, so you can try and do all these things. All you want. All you're gonna do is just burn yourself out. You're gonna burn yourself out, trust me.
WALTER:I've been there it's impossible to do outside of the power of the holy spirit you're gonna get burnt out.
SHANEA:You're gonna get frustrated because now you're trying to hold your tongue, you're trying to hold your peace. You don't know when you should be saying something, when you should not be saying something, when you should be fighting, when you shouldn't be fighting yeah where, uh, how you should be working? Should you? You be working two, three jobs to help pay these bills, half the bills you should?
WALTER:not be. You know like you should not be. You should not be If you got a husband at home, ladies, you should not be working two, three jobs.
SHANEA:No.
WALTER:You should be working one.
SHANEA:You shouldn't be working more than your husband.
WALTER:He may work two jobs.
SHANEA:I mean, unless obviously I mean you know the economic system right now.
WALTER:You should not be working two, three jobs.
SHANEA:But you should not be.
WALTER:The Bible says the man that was a curse that was placed upon a man. He would have to work. Yes To the point of like the sweat of his brows. Yes, we have to work.
SHANEA:Yes, and until that man comes to Jesus.
WALTER:Amen, but we're gonna continue because we are pressed for time.
SHANEA:but continue, babe um, no, I think that I think that's it really. I mean, I could dig in deep, but I'm not going. I'm not going to. I just kind of wanted to briefly go over the proverbs 31, woman and um, really, just let women know how important their wombs are. And you can only be this proverbs 31 woman with the power of the holy spirit, but you should not be this woman for someone who isn't noble, someone who isn't honorable, someone who does not have a relationship with god. Because you'll end up and we're about to go into this leading You'll end up being the one leading the family and that's not by design. Technically, we're supposed to lead together, but the man should be the head of the household.
WALTER:And we. It's really important, and we'll touch on this because we're going to try to wrap this up in 10 minutes. We're going to go over a little bit, you all, so just bear with us. It's a lot of information that we're getting through. It's very important, so so it's. So. What would you say are the important things that we can touch on and give to the people, babe, before we move into spiritual leadership?
SHANEA:okay, I mean you want to go to section four.
WALTER:We can yeah so.
SHANEA:I guess key takeaways, and I'll read Colossians 3, 18 through 19. I don't know what that says.
WALTER:So give me one second. Okay, so give me one second. Colossians 3, 18 through 19.
SHANEA:It's just wives, submit to your husbands as it is fitting for those who belong to the Lord, and husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly yeah, so wives are called to submit to their husbands to love them sacrificially yes and then husbands are called to love their wives yes, well, and not treat them harshly yeah, it husbands it's just reiterating ephesians 5 ephesians 5, but also reiterating god's redemptive plan, is that you guys are not supposed to be butting heads.
WALTER:No, no one should be trying to control anybody. You shouldn't be trying to fight for who's in. Quote unquote charge no, husbands. We aren't dictators. We're called to believe in humility.
WALTER:We're called to submit to christ and just as much as our wives are called to submit to us, we are also called to submit to them. We're called to lead together and and then understanding. One of those things I think is so important and I was thinking about today that came to me is understanding. A lot of times, unfortunately, men, we fall into this category of we fall into this category of becoming a protector, and so we become so focused with being a protector that we we lose sight of seasons. There is a moment in time where you are, there's moments in time where you're protecting your wives, but there's other moments in time where you have to let go and allow her to be what God has called her to be.
SHANEA:What do you mean by like protecting?
WALTER:So if something is going on, then it's my responsibility to protect you. I'm going to hover over you to protect you, but once that threat has left, I have to reposition back to the point of you being beside me and allowing you to thrive in what God has called you to be. So a lot of times men get caught up into this hover over, protect and not understanding the seasons that flow through in life. So it's nothing wrong with you wanting to protect your wife, but you can get to a point to where it becomes controlling yeah yeah, protection can come.
SHANEA:Well, you can psych yourself into thinking that I'm protecting her, but I'm controlling her. I'm not letting her go.
WALTER:I'm not letting her go to be everything God has called her to be.
SHANEA:Now we start digging or I don't trust that she can be exactly so you gotta be careful. And then you also have to understand seasons. We think God has called her to be. Now we start digging into other things. Or I don't trust that she can be.
WALTER:Exactly so. You got to be careful, and then you also have to understand seasons. But we can go ahead. I'm sorry.
SHANEA:I know, I know, go ahead baby.
WALTER:So it's important to understand that, like you said, there's a redemptive plan for marriage and then understanding the favor and blessings in a godly relationship right.
WALTER:God's favor come when we align ourselves with his will for marriage. A God-ordained marriage is a source of favor and blessings from God and we touched on this last week. Specifically, I think this is for men. It's so important that we're mindful of how we treat our wives, especially when we are already in a God-ordained marriage, because if we mistreat you all, then that would negatively impact the favor upon our lives, because the favor is tied to you and it's tied to how we treat you. We went over scriptures of that last week, so if you want to reference the scriptures, you can go to last week episode. So, um, when we think of the, it's as simple as this to experience god's favor, men must treat their wives with the same love and respect they have for themselves, and that goes back into Ephesians 5. That's.
WALTER:Ephesians 5. So I think that's really important. That's really important. Why are you looking at me like that, babe?
SHANEA:I'm sorry, it was like information overload. Oh, and I'm kind of sleepy Listen.
WALTER:You know they're going to come in the comment section.
SHANEA:I know they're going to come in the comment section. Their energy is off. They probably should have recorded another.
WALTER:Recorded at another time, yes, so whatever um, this is a lot of those comments, by the way yes, because it's just no reason for it. It's a lot of information and we're trying to get through all of this information and we try to wrap it up into an hour and sometimes it's impossible.
SHANEA:It's impossible, and I would like to have like a deeper, in-depth conversation. I feel like I just kind of went over stuff.
WALTER:You went in, it could always be deeper, but this could turn into an extended thing. You know, when it gets to that point and we're doing conferences or whatever God leads us to do we can dig deeper in when we have the people, because this is really just a lot of stuff to teach.
SHANEA:Yeah, but it's something just to ponder on.
WALTER:Yeah, so the roles of both parties in a healthy relationship. Babe, how would you sum that up?
SHANEA:Because we are pressed for time the roles of both parties. I believe that the I mean the original role is for them to rule and have dominion over the earth, to be fruitful and to multiply.
WALTER:Genesis 2. Genesis 2.
SHANEA:It's literally just that. It's for them to be fruitful and to multiply. It's for them to love each other as Christ loves the church or the church submits to God.
WALTER:Yeah, so this goes back over. You both are called to serve each other.
SHANEA:Yeah.
WALTER:There has to be communication healthy communication lines of communication. There has to be mutual respect care and humility. There has to be mutual respect, care and humility. There has to be, humility there.
WALTER:And godly relationships is about partnership. It's not about control, dictating anyone or treating someone as their subservient. It's the basic stuff we always talk about that people may not want to hear. I'm sorry, if you're a dictator, I would question your relationship with God. If you're a man in a relationship and you're trying to dictate your wife and your family, yeah. So, but let's dig into this real quick Spiritual leadership in marriage, and then we will wrap it up leadership in marriage, and then we will wrap it up.
WALTER:So I'm gonna try to wrap this up in like five minutes. The issue, um and baby, keep me pressed, or let's? Let's keep me focused that I don't lose sight, okay, so we, I'm gonna try to wrap this up. We have all grew up on praying grandmoms and praying mamas and praying aunties right, and seeing our the, the women in our family, be the spiritual leaders in our family. So what God was dealing with me on earlier today is and we talked about this yesterday.
WALTER:Yeah, one of the issues within marriages and relationships or marriages we're speaking in the context of marriage is that you have women who are leading spiritually, while the man leads naturally. And so when the man lacks spiritual leadership and I'm going to just give it to you, like he gave it to me he may compensate by a certain control in other areas of the marriage. This often manifests itself as him being a dictator. Yeah, due to an obsession with remaining in control, and that stems from the fact that when a man is spiritually immature or they don't have a relationship with Jesus Christ, he still operates post-fall.
WALTER:Yeah, and so in his mind it's still this mindset of her trying to control and rule me Right. And I have to show her that.
SHANEA:I'm in control.
WALTER:I'm more powerful Right and so this is why it's so important that men have a relationship with God and they're submitted to Christ, because once you submit to Christ, it shifts your mindset and now you have a revelation that, oh, I'm not supposed to control her, I'm not operating out of this world system. Now we actually move together, we have dominion together, we rule together, we govern together, and then it also tires the woman out, because you were never meant to run the entire thing spiritually.
SHANEA:That's where the struggle comes in. Also is because whatever you do in the spirit realm manifests in the natural. So if spiritually and we see it your grandmother or your mother is praying continuously, she's the rock of the family. Without her, the whole family cannot function. So naturally she is the leader. She should not be. Though you got dad coming or grandpa coming home, he sits down on the couch. He she got her his food ready. He put his feet up. He get his beer. He might stay out all night. He might be with another woman, he might, might have a whole other family on his side.
WALTER:It was definitely a situation a lot.
SHANEA:You don't find out until the funeral. True story. But you see it pan out naturally where the wife or the mother is the leader, because she is the one fighting all the time, she's the one fighting in the spirit realm for the family, she's the one hearing from god and she can't be all things at one time and this is the issue, because what happens is that we, we still fall into genesis 316, so we're still operating.
WALTER:And that's the problem, ladies, is that when you are outside of the perfect will of Christ, you operate within the curse.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:So you're still moving based upon the curse.
SHANEA:Right from the fall of Adam and Eve. From the fall of Adam and Eve Right.
WALTER:And the whole idea of going through this process, of having your mind renewed, developing a relationship with christ right is that it places you into a situation that it allows god to take you through the process of getting you back into right standing. So the idea is going back to that place pre the fall of man where right everything operates from that perspective. And so genesis 3, 16 read that yes that's the curse.
SHANEA:Yes, genesis 2 this is not how it's supposed to be. God said this is what's going to happen. That does not mean that's what it's supposed to be. It happened because they sinned.
WALTER:And you can be free from that. The idea of what God called it to be is and actually that's Genesis 1, I'm so sorry the idea of what God has called it to be is Genesis 26 through 28. Genesis 1, 26 through 28. That's what it's supposed to be. Ladies, that's what it's supposed to be. Men, you're supposed to come together. She's supposed to be beside you. You are supposed to and we touched on this before. 28 says then God blessed them and said be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and govern it, rain over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky and all the animals that scurry along the ground. God said that he would make a helper for Adam, but it was not meant for her to be subservient to Adam. God said that he would make a helper for Adam, and he told Adam and Eve to do these things together. No one's trying to compete, no one's nothing. They did it together. And so, baby, we had to wrap this up.
WALTER:Let me say this real quick and we can wrap it up God's design is that the husband lead with love and the wife supports him spiritually, but when that balance is disrupted it often leads to unhealthy dynamics like authority, authoritarianism yes authoritarianism it leads to you trying to be a dictator. Right. I'm too tired and so.
SHANEA:We be struggling, you guys.
WALTER:You have no clue. We really, we really try to get these videos out Because, once again, even with the videos, it's not something that we saw in our lives. My wife she was a nurse practitioner and I was on my way to being a software engineer, and so-.
SHANEA:Life just got flipped and turned upside down.
WALTER:Yep, Yep. I was like I'm going to have an amazing tech company and that's what we're going to do. And God was like no, I want you to do this and we are committed to doing it because it's needed, but that's something that we'll to do. And God was like no, I want you to do this and we are committed to doing it because it's needed, but that's something that we'll touch on later on whenever we share our testimony. Right.
WALTER:So how would you wrap this up? What's like you want to dig into the key takeaways.
SHANEA:Okay, I think one of the most important things is for my ladies. Mm-hmm, I think one of the most important things is for my ladies to really not date.
WALTER:Amen, no matter what they say.
SHANEA:No matter what they say, I don't care.
WALTER:God called me to be your husband.
SHANEA:I don't care what pastor preacher church you go to God, said I'm supposed to be with you and they said that it's okay to date, and these are the seven things you should find in a man. These are the five things. Men are simple. We want this, this, this and this and this. If you're dating, this is what you should be looking for.
WALTER:You need to date because you need to understand what you need.
SHANEA:Don't do it.
WALTER:I thought you was going to smack your lips after saying that continue.
SHANEA:I'm so sorry I was going to, but I was being mindful of the mic, yeah, um, and I'm not saying don't do it from a perspective of because just don't do it you want to be in the perfect will of god and that means that god never called for us to date that is a very pagan type it is pagan approach.
WALTER:God called for it to be a situation where he brings you to the person he's called you to be and then there's a courtship. You court that person, but you're courting the person that you know without a shadow of a doubt, and he knows without a shadow of a doubt that God has called y'all to.
SHANEA:Maybe you always have the right words, because I'm just like, nah, no, so we're not saying don't date. We're saying not in the context of dating people.
WALTER:We're saying wait till God bring to you, and he bring to you the man that he's called you to be with. Women and men. The same goes for you and it's not a situation you don't find that by dating and doing this, all you end up doing is hurting yourself and breaking yourself. Men you end up and doing this. All you end up doing is hurting yourself and breaking yourself. Men you end up hurting women or women, you end up hurting men and by the time you're done, you birth forth Ishmaels.
SHANEA:Yes, and we talk about that in Birthing for the Ishmael.
WALTER:You will destroy your womb. You will defile your womb. You will defile your body. You will set up unnecessary covenants.
SHANEA:And you will put your children through hell. Yes, and your children might put you through hell. Yes, because of who you birthed them with.
WALTER:Because you birthed them with someone that was wicked and evil.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:So don't do it.
SHANEA:Don't do it. Don't do it If you're in a relationship right now. Pause.
WALTER:If you ain't married, please be mindful and make sure you are where God has called you to be.
SHANEA:Pause and build your relationship with God first.
WALTER:If you are married, submit that marriage to God, and if you ain't where God called you to be, you might want to pray. We ain't going to tell you to get a divorce, but we're going to tell you to pray and ask God how to get out of that or how to approach a situation that is outside of his will.
SHANEA:Because, let's be real, when you have sex, you create covenants and you're having sex and you're defiling your womb. These are covenants that you are making in addition to the covenants that your ancestors made.
WALTER:And then, when you have a child with someone God hasn't called you to be with you, create an additional covenant. And women is so important. Women, please, your womb is so important. You can't be out here. This is what God said.
SHANEA:He said it is very important for you to get this message, so please go back to the beginning of the video and listen to what the Lord has said has spoken about how important your womb is. I don't even remember what he said Exactly.
WALTER:But y'all can listen to it.
SHANEA:Exactly, that is very important.
WALTER:So let's go through this real quick, and we're going to be done. Marriage is a divine institution that has been designed by God with a purpose for beyond, far beyond, our own desires and needs. Both individuals must have a strong personal relationship with God before entering into a marriage that reflects His will, and a godly marriage involves sacrificial love, submission and a deep commitment to serving one another as Christ serves the church. Okay, so it's important that we really dig into everything that we talked on, touched about tonight my wife touched on tonight what we touched on last week, what we discussed last week, and please apply this to your life. It's so important, it's so important I don't know what else to say no, go back through the scriptures.
SHANEA:Ask God to give you revelation.
WALTER:Yeah.
SHANEA:Write down, take down notes. Please do, please, please.
WALTER:This is very important. These last two episodes are very important, also the episode and the message of Christ, false Christ, but we ain't going to get on that. These are very important messages, especially those because there's the blue pill, red pill, something pill I don't know. There's all these people that's gunning for your time to try to for your attention to try to tell you to get into relationships. That's unhealthy.
SHANEA:Please don't, don't, don't, listen to them, no more Don't. And also we reiterated that last week. Don't be out here getting married just because you want to have sex and you can't control yourself.
WALTER:Don't be out here getting in relationships because you want to have sex. Nope, it ain't worth it. It's not, it ain't worth it. So, prayerfully, this week message has been a blessing to you. Yes, if you like what you hear, we would definitely hear. Like it, comment, share your testimonies. Baby, you say it all, you always say it, but it's all that you say.
SHANEA:What Subscribe like share? You don't say it like that. I don't say it like that.
WALTER:She be making it so meaningful, and all of that stuff. And I'm just straight to the point. And all of that stuff, and I'm just straight to the point.
SHANEA:You know, you see the personalities. We straight to the point on certain things.
WALTER:Yeah, I'll be more straight to the point. You'd be more. You know that wholesome, you know all of that good stuff that women provide, the nurturing. I'm just and I'm not an apostle, but I could see how I fall more into the category of like.
SHANEA:Prophet.
WALTER:Well, yeah, You're a prophet, we won't get into that. No, don't tell them nothing. But I can see the I'm sorry, Thank you the prophet side of it, because we're just straight to the point and I'm like just this is what God said. Yes. I don't care how you feel.
SHANEA:This is what he said and this is what's going to happen. Well, we appreciate you guys for tuning in and watching us, and we hope that this episode has been a blessing to you. Amen. Um, if it has, please share it. Um with other women, men, um, people you think that they might need it, even if you don't know them. Say, hey, you look like you need to listen to this, so let me listen to it let me send this to you.
SHANEA:Hey, we are found on apple podcast spotify all your major um podcast sites um, so yeah, yeah, so until next week, until next week's.
WALTER:we hope that you all be blessed. Yes, and we will see you then.
SHANEA:Bye.
WALTER:Bye.