Stepping In Faith

The Dangers of Sex Outside of God's Design

• Stepping In Faith • Season 1 • Episode 18

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The spiritual consequences of sex outside of marriage run far deeper than most realize. In this revealing conversation, we unpack how every sexual encounter creates a spiritual covenant, binding you to more than just another person's body. These "illegal covenants" can transfer spiritual struggles, demonic influences, and even generational curses between partners.

Drawing from biblical examples like David and Bathsheba, we explore how unchecked lust distorts our perception of others, turning God's children into mere objects of desire. This distortion doesn't just affect relationships—it can completely derail your God-given purpose and calling. The story of Samson dramatically illustrates how sexual sin blinds us spiritually, causing us to lose discernment and divine protection.

The particularly troubling aspect of sexual sin is that, unlike other transgressions, it occurs within your own body—the very temple of the Holy Spirit. This internal defilement creates a spiritual congestion that makes it difficult to hear God's voice or experience His presence fully. We also address how p**nography, self-gratification, and other perversions feed spirits of lust that demand increasingly extreme expressions.

Perhaps most sobering is our discussion of generational consequences. Many struggle with sexual issues because of trauma, abuse, or spiritual bondage passed down through family lines. Using historical and biblical references, we explain how these patterns establish themselves and—most importantly—how they can be broken through revelation, renunciation, and spiritual warfare.

This isn't simply about moral restrictions—it's about protecting your spiritual wellbeing and destiny. True freedom comes through understanding these spiritual dynamics, confessing past sins, renewing your mind, and walking in the Spirit. Ready to break free from sexual bondage and walk in God's original design? This conversation might be your first step toward lasting freedom.

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Walter:

Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where, together, we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact the relationship you have with others. I'm your host, walter. I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife.

Shanea:

Shanea.

Walter:

This is episode 18. So, before we get started, we're believers. We say this every single week. We like to always open out in prayer or open up in prayer, so I believe I prayed last week, so it's my wife's turn.

Shanea:

Father God, we thank you for this day. We thank you for your love, your grace and your mercy, father God. We thank you, father God, for everyone that is listening. I pray, father God, that this episode will be a blessing to others. I pray, father God, that this episode will be a blessing to others. I pray, father God, that right now you will open up their ears to hear your heart, open up their eyes to see, release the veil that they may have over their eyes. Father God, to receive this word in Jesus' name, we pray.

Walter:

Amen, amen. So, babe, what is the title of this week's episode? So babe, what is the title of this week's episode?

Shanea:

That would be the dangers of sex outside of God's design.

Walter:

Hmm, that was long. That's the way it was given.

Shanea:

Was it yes?

Walter:

Okay, that's what I got. The dangers of sex outside of God's design Okay, even though. Do you want to talk about how this came to be?

Shanea:

Yeah, I was just going to say. Usually God will give you a word on what we're going to talk about for the week and after we recorded last week I had got this download, I believe, but I thought it was just like a regular thought about sex. Okay, you have to clear that up, because what do you mean?

Walter:

clear it up. You just said I got this thought about sex.

Shanea:

Not, oh, not, like I got this, thought about talking, talking about sex.

Shanea:

Okay, talking about sex, but I kind of just threw it off and I was like, ok, father, if that's what you want us to talk about, you're going to have to give that to my husband. And then, when you asked, you were like you didn't get anything. And then, as you were saying you didn't get anything, while I was standing there I heard the Lord say that's because I gave it to you. And then that's when I told you, well, you didn't get anything because God already gave you something for us to talk about, and but I don't really know if that's what he really wants us to talk about. And then I heard the song let's talk about sex, baby, from um. Is that salt and pepper?

Walter:

It is, I think it's Salt-N-Pepa, salt-n-pepa, I think it's.

Shanea:

Salt-N-Pepa Was playing in my head. God's funny like that sometimes.

Walter:

This is not a place to He'll give me songs and stuff. This is not a channel to. This is not a religious channel.

Shanea:

No, sometimes I feel like was it Bumblebee from Transformers, where he'd be playing the music when he talks.

Walter:

Yeah, this is not a religious channel, y'all.

Shanea:

We're very much spiritual. We actually have a relationship with the Lord, with the Father.

Walter:

So the dangers of sex outside of God's design. It's a tough subject. It's a very tough subject because everybody want to have sex and it's one of the things that I think many people struggle to give up when they're not married struggle to give up when you're not married. Well, that's because if people have sex outside of god's original design, where we live in a fallen world, so everything is tainted, I mean. Well, I think we don't understand what sex was designed for, so the desire itself is natural.

Walter:

However, the enemy's job, or the responsibility he's taken upon, is to awaken that desire before it's time right and if he can awaken that desire before his time, he's done what he wanted to do, and so a lot of times, um, unfortunately, whether it's something that kids are exposed to, uh, whether it's some type of trauma that kids go through with parents, family members, strangers, what may have you or even other children, it awakens something that should not have been awakened due to abuse or due to being exposed to a particular magazine their parents may have, or their uncle or their big brother or sister may have, or something being watched on TV, music being played, and even today, music videos are very sexually based. Everything is sexually based.

Shanea:

So Sex is everywhere.

Walter:

It is.

Shanea:

Sex sells.

Walter:

Heavily, unfortunately, heavily, unfortunately. So where do we start to dive? Dive in where do you want to start?

Shanea:

well, you got these scriptures up here. Did you want to?

Walter:

did you want to start with those or those were just like noted no, um, I believe it's already in, but there's some scriptures that god gave to me, but I was um going over. Colossians 3, 1-16 came when we was reading the other night. I think we read that and that stood out to me heavily, let's see. So it's going to be a little bit of reading, yes, so if you guys have your Bibles, please get them out.

Shanea:

If not, get your phone Bible.

Walter:

It's 3, 1 through 16, unless you're watching this on your phone and then just listen so I would say the entire passage is a good read.

Walter:

Yet we're going to just kind of read a little bit of this, and this is the new living translation that we're reading, beginning at verse 1, and, and that's Colossians 3. Yep 3, 1 through 16. So it says Since you have been raised to new life with Christ, set your sights on the realities of heaven, where Christ sits in the place of honor at God's right hand. Think about the things of heaven, not the things of earth, for you died to this life and your real life is hidden with Christ and God. And when Christ, who is your life, is revealed to the whole world, you will share in all his glory.

Walter:

So put to death the sinful earthly things lurking within you have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust and evil desires. Don't be greedy, for a greedy person is an idol of them, worshiping the things of this world. Because of these sins, the anger of God is coming. You used to do these things when your life was still part of this world, but now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander and dirty language. And so this goes on to talk about how you're to live your life. Allow God to guide you and lead you in all you do. But the thing that really stood out to me with this is the fact that it reflects the importance that when you become a believer that the things that you did in the world you should no longer do. So there are those who believe or are okay with saying that I'm a Christian, but I can still have sex because I'm just doing it with this one person.

Walter:

We're going to eventually get married, so there's nothing wrong with it. But the Bible, specifically Paul speaking to the church, stated specifically that you have to put that away. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust and evil desires.

Shanea:

Yeah, well, see, the problem is is that the world tells you that having sex is okay. But we are believers, we are followers of Jesus Christ, we are supposed to be set apart from the world, and so we can't think like the world or move like the world does, and we are foreigners literally foreigners to this land, and so it's really hard, so it's really hard. So sex is a sacred gift from God and it's designed for marriage to reflect intimacy, unity and purpose. Sex has a purpose. Yeah.

Shanea:

Well, sex is and it's not just for pleasure.

Walter:

No, it was never something that was meant to be specifically for pleasure You're not saying that you should not enjoy it, but it was really. I think we, um the world, approached sex from the perspective of it being pleasurable. So that's when you introduce toys and you start looking at the p word and you start introducing all of these things and um, unfortunately, you even have christians that do swaps and, like we, get heavy into stuff that they do because they're only seeking to feed their flesh when in our reality, it's all about intimacy.

Shanea:

And we are taught, as believers, not to feed our flesh.

Walter:

Yeah, so you can't go into this feeding your flesh. And it says we're talking about this. The enemy distorts sex to create spiritual bondage, distractions and generational consequences.

Shanea:

Absolutely so. You having sex is not just for your own pleasure. No. But you having sex has consequences. Mm-hmm. Consequences.

Walter:

Yeah.

Shanea:

That people don't understand spiritually.

Walter:

Sex isn't just something physical, it is a spiritual, it's a spiritual thing yeah, because I mean unknowingly, every time you have sex with someone, you're entering into some type of spiritual contract yeah, covenant contract covenant um. You're feeding your flesh, you're feeding that spirit of lust. You're feeding that spirit of lust, you're feeding that spirit of perversion, as well as other things being attached to you as you're laying down with these different partners.

Shanea:

Yeah, so you unknowingly attach yourself to sexual sin.

Walter:

Yeah, and whatever they're dealing with, whatever they're struggling with, you begin to struggle with and you begin to deal with it, because sexual or sex is something that is spiritual, it literally is. You're linking together your bodies, your soul, it.

Shanea:

It is really dangerous yeah, so one of the things that paul was talking about is how sex is. Something is sex. You can commit sexual sin. You're creating sin inside your own self, like in your. You're inserting sin in your body Like everything else is external, you know, but sin sexual sex is internal. Like it affects you, affects your bloodline and it affects you in so many different ways.

Walter:

Yeah, yeah, because you're creating illegal covenants. And even though we've changed in modern day times, we have to remember that when this this was initially created, sex was how people became together as one and it's how they solidified their marriage exactly.

Shanea:

It was through.

Walter:

That's how they consummated their marriage, yeah, and that created that covenant with them. The danger comes with not understanding that you can create illegal, illegal covenants and we talked about this before. Then you can have yourself in a situation where there's no protection. So you nowadays have so many people that are having sex with multiple people throughout their lifetime sometimes multiple people at the same time and you're creating these illegitimate contracts with all of these different people, and so let's dive in. I feel like we already started, but let's dive in. Where do we start first?

Shanea:

Well, I was just looking at um uh first Corinthians, uh six, 18, uh through 20. And it says run from sexual sin. And this is NLT version. No other sin so clearly affects the body as this does, for sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God brought you with a high price. And this kind of goes back to the last episode where I was talking about your wombs. You don't even have rights to your womb because you do not belong to yourself. You belong to God. Yeah.

Shanea:

You are are property of god your body is the temple you're god's property.

Walter:

Yeah, okay, kirk franklin. Yeah, I mean, that's very true yeah that's very true. It's really important just to understand, I think, when we start looking at it from that perspective it shifts things, it does it should, you're defiling the temple of God, and so I think that's the biggest thing when you look at sexual immorality it literally defiles the temple of God.

Shanea:

Exactly.

Walter:

Because you have now become the temple of God.

Shanea:

Exactly You're defiling your own body, exactly. You are a property of the most high living God and you have to act like it.

Walter:

And I think that's um is that second Corinthians? That that touches on, uh, lying down with a prostitute.

Shanea:

Oh, I'm not sure. I don't think I have that in there.

Walter:

And that was one of the things that we were reading. Okay, um, yeah, uh. Second Corinthians, verse uh. 2 Corinthians 6, verse 14, it says don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever, and what union can there be between God's temples and idols? We are the temple of the living God and this is not what I was looking for. But this is what I was looking for. As God said, I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God and they will be my people. Therefore, come out from among unbelievers and separate yourselves from them, says the Lord. Don't touch their filthy things and I will welcome you and I will be your father and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. Yeah.

Walter:

So a couple of things here and that might have been romans, but a couple of things here to to note. We know that people uh, when in one of the previous episodes they were really gun holding and being relationships that were, uh, being with unbelievers, and this is a challenge that people have to understand that when paul was speaking, I believe, in first corinth 7 and touching on believers being with unbelievers, he was talking about people that were already married and Paul was trying to give wisdom from his perspective, but not from God's perspective. Right.

Walter:

Yet this showcases the importance of you not even being tied to an unbeliever at all. Right. And because when you're tied to an unbeliever, the consequences associated with doing that, and so what we have to understand is, every single time we have sex, we are tying ourselves to something.

Shanea:

So, because our body is a temple, when you go into the house of the Lord, you shouldn't bring idols with you. You shouldn't bring darkness with you. You shouldn't bring darkness with you. It's not allowed. So you're having someone who's not a believer enter you or you enter them.

Walter:

And you're also doing it already illegally because you're not even married. Or, let's take it a step further You're not married to the person God designed for you to be with, and we don't deal with a lot of stuff because we are not spiritually inclined, so we are not familiar with spirit wives spirit spouses.

Walter:

We're not familiar with the fact that, within the spirit realm, you literally can be dealing with things on a demonic scale that you have no understanding of. That will kind of wreak chaos in your home. I know like in you know in other countries they deal with it a lot because, they're more spiritually inclined than we are. We are so heavily logically based, here and throughout Europe, that we don't really experience all of those things. But this doesn't change the fact we don't experience this. We don't see the spirit, but we experienced the natural, but we don't understand why we experienced the chaos.

Shanea:

Right. So what was coming to me now was when God had gave me what we were going to talk about and he was saying that sex is a distraction Right. And so how I thought about it right now is that if our bodies are a temple of the Lord right, and the temple is where the presence of God resides you have a disconnect with the presence because you're you're distracting yourself with all these idols and things in your temple. That stops you, stops the presence of god from residing in you enough for you to be able to recognize hey, the holy spirit's here, god's here, like. You know what I mean it's like spiritual congestion yeah literally, it's nothing but spirit.

Walter:

Like your spirit. Life is heavily cluttered with a bunch of stuff. It's like the scripture that we was reading I believe it was Zechariah one of them that God took him and he was taken to the temple and there was stuff written on the walls and there was idolization. Here there was other gods that they had placed in the temple and God was just showing him the mess that they had created within the temple all the way, even as far as the inner courts right.

Shanea:

So like sometimes when you go into church you're like I don't even feel the presence of God here. That's because he ain't there.

Walter:

He's not there and we don't understand that. Yeah, we. I guess we can, because you got some biblical examples here.

Shanea:

I see we have David and Bathsheba, which is good, really good yeah, so, um, and just an overview of sexual sin and spiritual perversion, um, all the different spirits of perversion. Perversion isn't just perversion, has different segments of itself. Yeah, there's different spirits of perversion that can attach itself to you that will cause you to do things that you should not be doing yeah, the more you operate in it, the worse it gets, because it's it requires you to feed it more.

Shanea:

So you may start off with just okay, I'm just, I'm having sex outside of marriage, and then that's not enough and then you dig into deeper categories of stuff that you would typically not be, you would typically not do and and I understand some people probably might not even understand like that, these are spirits, um, but we're not going to dig into demonology today.

Walter:

Yeah, because they probably would.

Shanea:

You could kind of look that up on your own, yeah, maybe one episode, we can touch on the fact that it is spiritual.

Walter:

And we're touching on the fact that it's spiritual, but there's different demons associated with different things. And so, yeah, it's a whole hierarchy. Just like it's a hierarchy in heaven. It's the same thing with the enemy's kingdom. But David, you know, we know, david was heavily driven by lust, yeah, to the point like if you read the story and that's what 2 Samuel 11?. Mm-hmm.

Walter:

David went out of his way to get to Bathsheba, including literally sending her husband off to war and putting them on the front line. At first he tried to tell him you know, stay home, because he had. He saw Bathsheba and he shouldn't have been looking at her in the first place because she was up on the roof and she was cleaning herself she was unclean.

Walter:

Yes, it was cleaning herself. She was unclean. Yes, it was that cycle, it was her cycle, and he saw her and he immediately had lust. Yes, and he wanted her, he was. He was advised against it, yet he didn't listen. No. It was made known that she was a married woman and that her husband was out to war and really respected david so much, and so, if you know the story, david um ended up laying with her wife I mean his wife and she ended up getting pregnant yeah.

Walter:

And then after that, he tried to get her husband to lay with her, but her husband was so committed to David he was like all of the other. Men aren't at home with their wives, so I'm not going to be at home with her either. I'm going to sit here and I'm going to wait. So finally, david had him placed on the front line and he ended up being killed yeah, he knew he was gonna die yeah, he did that on purpose, he basically committed murder yes it started off with lust yeah.

Shanea:

So lust opens the door for other spirits to enter, so your uncontrolled desire will continue to lead you further and further away from God Right, and so that lust will carry out. It's not just affecting you, it's affecting everyone around you. So David had children who were also lustful, even to the point where they lusted after their own sisters yeah, but it started with him it started with that because they, the baby, ended up being lost um, and then his son also murdered his brother

Walter:

yeah because of the lust well, god for one, and that's what people don't realize that even though because, let's be honest Bathsheba, she birthed Fort Solomon. Yet God told David that he told him he would be cursed because of what he did with the whole situation with Bathsheba. And he was cursed and he had to deal with the consequences to what he did. Right? But this is unchecked lust, which is why, um and I think you may have it in here, uh, matthew 5 and 28, but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Jesus was trying to teach us don't even look at it right, because you're already committing adultery.

Walter:

And that's where it begins, because it leads that it's a seed. Yes, it's a seed.

Shanea:

And as long as you keep lusting, it's going to continue to keep happening and people don't really understand what lust is. They think that you know, oh, he's just, he's handsome, or? She's beautiful, or, you know, they don't see that as lust.

Walter:

Yeah, you should not look upon your brother or your sister in a particular way, Like even with us being married one of the things that God dealt with me on earlier on, before we got married I remember I just I looked at someone and I was like, oh my gosh, she's beautiful.

Walter:

Like I will will always say we weren't together, god told me what he told me about you and, uh, he, even before the thought got out, no, what happened is I thought and I went to tell her that and God was like stop, and I'm like what? I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just saying that she's a beautiful woman, stop, um. And I immediately felt convicted because he made me aware he's like that's not your wife, essentially telling me you shouldn't be looking at. And I played it off and right because right here.

Shanea:

Yeah, if you look at a woman with lustful intent, you already committed adultery, but the world doesn't. They're like oh, you can call somebody beautiful or handsome or you know, but he got into my behind.

Walter:

That was an interesting day. But he made his lesson known and I came across the scripture and I thought back to that moment and like, oh okay, I see what he's saying. So we shouldn't even be looking at women or men and people are not going to like this. But we shouldn't even be looking at women or men and saying, oh, they're beautiful or they're handsome or anything. No, even be looking at women or men and saying, oh, they're beautiful or they're handsome or anything. No. And God can get you to a point to where that you don't do that, because I don't do that anymore.

Shanea:

No, and it's like God, help me to see these men and women as you see them, yeah, as your sons and your daughters, my brothers and my sisters.

Walter:

Exactly, and help me to only have eyes for my wife, or eyes for my husband, and not look upon anybody else. With that, and then recognizing that when you do, oh, that's the spirit of lust, and then we nip this in the bud. So it doesn't grow and fester because even when we dig into relationships, um, you don't start off with adultery. It starts off with a seed being planted of lust. Right.

Walter:

And the fact is that it never goes checked and it just keeps growing because you keep feeding it, and that's what the enemy wants.

Walter:

So I'm looking at this person, I'm looking at that person, I'm looking at this person, I'm looking at a movie and I'm making it known that, oh my gosh, she's, you know, and I'm looking at this and I'm looking at that have sex scenes in it, and I'm looking at movies where they're being very sexually active, and I'm listening to music like that and I'm watching music videos like that, and all of these things, and you're feeding your flesh and you're feeding that spirit of lust and it's growing until the moment comes when you're put in the wrong place, yeah, at the wrong time, and immediately it goes from there. So you know, you have here and we, we gotta keep mind of, be mindful of time yeah, this might be a two-part also, but we'll see uh.

Shanea:

Lust distorts how we see others, turning them into objects of desire instead of individuals made in god's image and, like I said that, that prayer that you know, god, help me to see these men and women as you see them, as your children, as my brothers and sisters.

Walter:

And this becomes very dangerous, especially for women, because when men are in situations where we have things that's unchecked, we can cause harm.

Shanea:

Become real dangerous.

Walter:

Exactly Cause harm, become real, dangerous.

Shanea:

Exactly Because now you're looking at that woman as an object instead of like a woman of God or a daughter of God, and so you approach her as such and this is why, even when you know you're out and about or you're dating and you see someone you like, you're attracted to them, you have sex and it's like I don't really have no connection no because you didn't see them, as they weren't your wife or your husband in the first place and you didn't approach them from the perspective.

Walter:

You were looking at them from a lustful place.

Shanea:

Yeah, you treated them like an object. You treated each other like an object.

Walter:

You treated yourself like an object and now you feel used well, the thing is that a lot of times, even when you look at marriages, that's a reflection of those marriages, because you get into the marriage simply because you want to have sex with them. Then that happens and it's like, oh well, I'm gonna have sex with them, I'm good now yeah, but you, I mean, you don't know that, but that is what's happening.

Shanea:

Yes, that's.

Walter:

That's essentially what's taking place. And so moving on fornication and adultery, sex outside of marriage. Where do you want? To go with this, because it's different parts in there. You know, we have homosexuality, we have the P word I don't know if we can speak, can speak on it or not but we have self-gratification, essentially okay, um, honestly, I I've had so many where to go right now.

Shanea:

So, oh, did you put that in there? What, oh? The woman called on adultery, mm-hmm. Jesus offers forgiveness but commands her to go and sin well, it's just basically um.

Walter:

So there are instances where people feel the enemy will cause conviction or not conviction, but he will cause guilt, and by doing so unknowingly, because you've had sex or you've had multiple partners, or you were heavily active or you were abused as a child, some women abused as teenagers, even abused as adults. There would be this sense of conviction that is not from God. And so you know Jesus was having this conversation with her, knowing that she wasn't. You know she was doing what she was doing living a very promiscuous lifestyle.

Walter:

But he told her hey, listen, not only do I see you and I forgive you and I'm giving you an opportunity to be free of this lifestyle, but as you go, just sin no more.

Shanea:

Right, so, and thank you for starting that. So now I have a thought about what I should say, because I've had, you know, people ask like, what do I do now that I've had sex? And now I feel shameful and I feel guilt and I feel hurt, and sometimes I feel dirty because it wasn't even something I wanted to do or something that I wanted to happen to me. Um, but from right here, jesus says look, just don't do it anymore. You can't do it anymore, otherwise, those same feelings, all those emotions and everything just going to come back seven times worse.

Walter:

And it's just understanding that each time you do it. We live in a fallen world. We live in a fallen world and we all make mistakes. People are. People perish because of the lack of knowledge. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff we just don't know yeah and uh, there is a within the church we've taken upon pagan ways and so there's a mixture.

Shanea:

It's very, the church is very mixy that's because there there's, no, there hasn't been a revelation on what relationships are supposed to look like well, there's no desire because people don't want to submit it to god yeah so you can't blame necessarily the congregation, because they don't know, because the teachers, the pastors aren't teaching them right and so they don't even really speak on.

Walter:

They just started really touching on relationships yeah and even now they still don't really touch on their relationships. So you have to go to the world and say, okay, what are they doing with their relationships?

Shanea:

right because their relationships seem like they're.

Walter:

They're working, so let's, let's follow the world then you're like, okay, now you even have the church and we talked about this before saying, hey, instead of having sex, just get married, which is the worst thing ever. Yes, but the world will tell you no, just have sex, don't get married. It's foolish to get married to someone just because you want to have sex with them right. They sound right, is it? They sound better is what you're going to say, because you know. Marriage versus having sex.

Shanea:

I would rather just have sex and not to get married to somebody that I don't want to get married to exactly, or I don't need to get married even though both is wrong yes but no one is telling you that, and so it's really just understanding that you made mistakes, and a lot of times with women and men.

Walter:

We see men who and I'm not saying this is the case for every man, but I've come across quite a few men who were or are now homosexuals, and part of the reason of them being homosexual is because they were exposed to stuff as children. They were abused as kids. Women become promiscuous because they were abused as kids, and so you don't realize that when that took place we talked about it in the previous episode the enemy used that trauma to access you, and now, as you're doing stuff as adults, it's tied back to what you went through as a kid, because you need to be healed and you need to be delivered and it's as simple as that and there's shame.

Walter:

we touched on before that. You uh feel as if it's an idea where this is how I show love and this is how people show they love me, or you lose your voice right, because you feel shame for you.

Shanea:

You're afraid so you don't speak up yeah, because sometimes they'll tell you look, you can't say nothing, I'm gonna kill you. Or you don't speak up. Yeah, because sometimes they'll tell you look, you can't say nothing, I'm going to kill you.

Walter:

Or you don't feel like you should say anything, because that's how everybody treat you.

Shanea:

Exactly so. We dig into so many things Because nobody listens to you anyway.

Walter:

Exactly so we can go forth and go forth in that. Yet and we touched on this before you just got to flee from sexual morality. That's what first corinthians 6 and 18 say. You talked about this before. Every other sin a person commits is outside of the body, but sexual immoral person sins against his own body yeah and we gotta, we have to be mindful because, whether we realize it or not, and people in the world even touches on, this soul ties yes you talked about guilt, you talked about shame, and then it opened up doors to demonic oppression.

Walter:

We talked about lust, we talked about perversion right so digging into homosexuality some people may not like this and I don't know where the other.

Shanea:

Oh, there, it is what I was looking for, that Romans scripture. So we'll take it to Genesis. What Genesis 19.

Walter:

19. Verse 1 through 13. Verse 1 through 13. Mm-hmm.

Shanea:

And some may not know, but they I'll speak on it let's talk about. Well, homosexuality is nothing more than just a distortion of God's original design for sex, god's original design for relationships and marriage. We find his original design back in Genesis with Adam and Eve and.

Speaker 3:

Relationships and marriage. We find his original design back in Genesis, genesis 2.

Shanea:

With Adam and Eve, and here we see Genesis 19, 1 through 13. Should I read all that?

Walter:

It's up to you. You don't have to.

Shanea:

Okay, well, basically there were two angels that came to Lot to tell him to get out of the city, and the town was so full of sexual immorality. They were kind of just doing whatever they wanted to do. It was men having sex with men, women having sex with women, all kind of stuff.

Walter:

The stench reached heaven.

Shanea:

Yes, and God was very, very upset. But he got even more upset when he sent two angels to get Lot and told him to leave. And the men from the town were like, can we sleep with them?

Walter:

They tried to sleep with the angels.

Shanea:

They tried to sleep with the angels.

Walter:

They tried to sleep with the angels and Lot had to protect the angels.

Shanea:

He even offered his own daughters to a mob of men. That's how horrible that town of sexual immorality was.

Walter:

Well, that's how much even Lot didn't realize it had infiltrated him.

Shanea:

Yes, because he was around it.

Walter:

it was like normal and later on, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, his daughter's had sex with them oh yeah, his daughters had sex with them and they created children it was just gross just being in that environment, that lustful environment.

Walter:

So you have to be real careful, yeah, about what you're doing you may, you may not like this, um, I'm sorry, no matter how you and this is not to judge anyone, it's just, this is bible. Homosexuality is not something that is of god it's not natural. It's not natural. It's something that is more so spiritual. Yeah, there are those that say that they were born that way, and we do agree.

Shanea:

You are.

Walter:

You can be, because it's something that is connected to the bloodline. It has to be broken Exactly, and so it's just the reality. The Bible is against it. I know it touched on it.

Shanea:

Homosexuality is another spirit of perversion, yeah, and homosexuality is another spirit of perversion, yeah, it's just a perversed spirit.

Walter:

And that's Romans 1 for those, not only Sodom and Gomorrah, but Romans 1 in the New Testament. Paul touches on it. Key scripture here is Romans 1, 26 through 27. For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. And so Paul touches on this all throughout Romans. Yeah. Go ahead, babe, you can go even deeper.

Shanea:

Romans one, because if you read a little bit before that um, you wanna you talk about verse?

Walter:

uh, we can start at 24 24.

Shanea:

So romans 1 24. So god abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about god for a lie, so they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires, even though even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other, and the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust with each other, and the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other.

Walter:

Men did shameful things, and other men with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved yeah, I mean, you may not like it, but that's scripture now, um, this doesn't give us the right to uh, hate people, no, or attack people or shame people or shame people. Sin is sin. Uh, I think romans 2, is it romans 2 even?

Shanea:

when you go back, when you go to uh romans 2 after this, after he talks about all the sin uh romans 2 1. Um, you may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad and you have no excuse. When you say they are wicked and you and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you, who judge others, do these very same things, and we know that god in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. It's like you're also living in sexual immorality.

Walter:

Yeah, you just instead you just having sex. As a man, you're having sex with a woman. As a woman, you're having sex with a man but you will sit there and you will judge someone who's in the? Same sex relationship, yeah, or whatever the case may be, as if you're any better. You're just as bad, yes and so, um, it's understanding that this is all spiritual and this is all something that is a plan of the enemy attacking god's original design for marriage, for relationship, for sex, which was to produce godly offsprings yes it's a a greater form of intimacy yes that god created within the right context and you know using it within the right context, it will cause you to blossom, it will cause you to grow together.

Walter:

You're supposed to become one, you're supposed to become connected, and so that's just something to think about.

Shanea:

Right, because the original purpose and design for sex is for you to be fruitful and multiply for God, to create little mini images of God, and you can't do that in a same sex relationship.

Walter:

Yeah.

Shanea:

You can't do that, just lusting after someone right you can't do that, just um looking at p. Okay, you can't say that word uh, I don't know I just see people using saying p word, but I don't know why. I don't know, we'll just whatever, we'll just go with it uh, you can't do that.

Walter:

Looking at those things yeah and so um the the greatest thing that we're supposed to do as believers within the context of marriage is replicate what god did with adam and eve yeah adam and eve was supposed to replicate what god had created through them.

Shanea:

And create more images like him, exactly, because they were created in his image, exactly.

Walter:

And so we dig into. So I know well, yeah, we talked about this Onan's sin, Genesis 38, 8 through 10. That's digging into the P word in masturbation, Right, Self-gratification is the best way that we can put it.

Shanea:

Exactly.

Walter:

Because that is a huge industry and I mean we're not looking to monetize this. I don't know if we can or cannot say it no.

Shanea:

I mean, I guess we're not looking to monetize it, and if I mean not this episode anyway, yeah, so pornography.

Walter:

Yes, a lot of people struggle with that heavily. That's when you look at the numbers, it's just really ridiculous, especially specifically within the church.

Shanea:

Yeah.

Walter:

People struggle with it. It's a way that they look to please themselves instead of having sex.

Shanea:

Yeah, but they look at it, people think that is not really anything wrong with it.

Walter:

Think about it like this Because you're not hurting anyone when you're sitting there looking at pornography and you're sitting there going through self-gratification. Think about it like this it is demons that's there with you, that is literally watching you partake in this. And it's demons that are there with them as they're doing what they're doing.

Shanea:

Because it's all influential. Yes, so some something is telling you in your ear. Hey, you know what you should please yourself yep, you should watch this you should look this up, that is, those are demons, those are spirits. If you have that thought, that's not god.

Walter:

That's not god something if you have any thoughts that are not of god.

Shanea:

It's not god, it's demons.

Walter:

I think people struggle with understanding, like they don't have their own thoughts. It's all being influenced by something.

Shanea:

Exactly.

Walter:

Even if it's the culture, the culture is being influenced by something. Even if it's the church. The church is being influenced by something.

Shanea:

Those thoughts just don't come out of anywhere.

Walter:

And so it says that. Verse 18, you can read this. It says Then Judah said to Erz, brother of Onan, go and marry Tamar. As our law requires of the brother of a man who has died. You must produce an heir for your brother. But Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with his brother's wife, he spilled the semen on the ground. This prevented her from having a child who would belong to his brother. But the Lord considered it evil for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother. So the Lord took Onan's life too.

Shanea:

Yeah, took his life.

Walter:

Self-gratification is not good.

Shanea:

Because God's purpose and design is to what Create more images of him.

Walter:

godly offsprings and so it's just really something that we have to be mindful of, um as we go through all throughout all of this.

Shanea:

Where do you want to go from here, babe, because we've been touching on a lot of good stuff yeah, I mean we could keep going and we don't have to go from here, babe, because we've been touching on a lot of good stuff.

Shanea:

Yeah, I mean we could keep going and we don't have to go super, super deep, because we could totally get deep about this, but we can move on. You know, if anybody has any questions or debates or thoughts, you could leave a comment. Please leave a comment. We could touch on it some more, but the whole, but the the main thing with pornography and masturbation is the fact that it warps your view of what intimacy. What intimacy is it fuels that other spirit of lust, right and then it creates this type of addiction For men.

Shanea:

I'll say it like this Because of the gratification.

Walter:

I'll say it like this, because I struggled with it for some time Men, it began to shift, and I believe this happened with women too. It began to shift your perspective of women and you start looking at women in a particular way. You start looking at women as an object, you start looking at a woman as a means to please you and then, on top of that, because it's something that was not intended for God is impossible for you to be pleased by that said woman because you become used to that and that is not real.

Walter:

I'm sorry, you just got to see it as it is and I think when we start looking at it from that perspective it shifts us. That's somebody's child. That's someone's daughter that has those things going through her and a lot of those women in those situations don't want to go through that. I don't care what you tell me, I don't care what they try to say. I don't believe any woman want to be in that situation. I believe it's from trauma. I believe it's some type of trauma she's experienced. I don't believe it's natural for men to want to do that. There's something that those men are dealing with that make them want to be in those positions. Yeah, it's just the reality of what it is.

Shanea:

Yeah, because it's not natural. It's not, but even the church will tell you you know, don't have sex. So then now you have Christians who are saying that they're abstinent and they're sustaining from sex, but they're having sex with themselves.

Walter:

Yeah, they have toys. You have toys. You have all these things that are not natural and it opens you up still to spirits. And. I don't think people and we're not going to dig into it, but I don't think people understand that you can get to a point, to where you can have a spirit a demon that is having sex with you.

Shanea:

Right. So now you're having these sexual dreams, sexual encounters in your dream, and so you're wanting to be in a relationship.

Shanea:

But then when you get in that relationship, you're wanting up to be in a relationship, but then when you get in that relationship, you you're kind of blinded and distracted because you have this spirit of lust on you so you don't even know if this person is really really for me, because I can't hear, because I keep putting stuff in my temple that shouldn't be there and then they've stated before yeah, I don't, they don't you dig in the spirit wives and spirit husbands, spirit spouses.

Walter:

They wreak havoc in your relationships because they're jealous.

Shanea:

You even have spirit children. You're having dreams that you have a whole family. It's not a dream. God is just showing you. Hey, this is what's going on that you can't see in the natural. So your dreams are God's voice speaking to, speaking to you.

Walter:

Hey, this is what's going on and I need you to do something about it and this is not to bring fear or instill fear in anyone, it's just really to uh, open up your eyes. The seriousness, of sex outside of marriage because we just was taught don't have sex outside of marriage. But we never. We weren't taught the why we weren't. We just thought, okay, you know STDs, right, you don't want to get an STD. But we never understood the spiritual implementations of what you were doing and what you were connecting yourself to.

Shanea:

Yeah, you're connecting yourself to people and you don't, and this is why it's so important to have a relationship with God and be in a place where he can say hey, I want you to be with this person, because I know what this person is capable of.

Shanea:

I know what this person has been through. I know what this person is going to do. I know them, I know them. So you're laying down with someone and you don't know their past trauma. So you're laying down with someone and you don't know their past trauma. You don't know what they're going to be doing five years from now, two years from now, three years from now. You don't know what they did five minutes before you started having sex.

Walter:

No. Sometimes and you are connecting yourself to all of that and you're connecting yourself to them.

Shanea:

This person might be dealing with suicidal thoughts. This person might be dealing with depression. You don't know what this person is dealing with suicidal thoughts. This person might be dealing with depression. You don't know what this person is dealing with a heavy level of perversion, there may be a spirit of murder.

Walter:

On them, exactly. There's all of these different, so you're having sex with this person.

Shanea:

And now you're angry, you have, you're anxious, you're depressed, you're thinking about doing stuff you shouldn't be doing you're looking at the opposite sex and you don't even know why you're attracted to a man. When you were laying with somebody because they just laid with somebody who was in a homosexual relationship.

Walter:

It goes so deep you guys, when I tell you it digs in and I know it sounds crazy, but it goes deep and a lot of times people will be like you know, they'll start saying things that the other person is saying. It sounded like the other person and they think, oh, it's just because I was around them. No, that's spiritual, that is a spiritual.

Shanea:

That's impartation it's impartation, and so well, and they'll eat us up for this, because they're like oh, it's not in the bible, but it is sexual immorality there.

Walter:

That's all it is paul talks about you being mindful of what you tie yourself to, and I I need to find that scripture, but you can go ahead, babe.

Shanea:

Yeah, being mindful of what you tie yourself to. But whatever is in your heart is going to come out naturally and manifest.

Walter:

Yeah, and that's Proverbs. Did you put that in there?

Shanea:

I put it in there somewhere, I don't know. It's in my notes.

Walter:

Okay.

Shanea:

Continue.

Walter:

So where are we going to now?

Shanea:

wherever you want, wherever the Lord leads, okay, because um oh, this is good, how sexual sin distracts you from God's will, which we kind of touched about earlier on in the episode. But this specific example of Samson and Delilah, how the enemy will use sex to divert people from their God-given purpose, yeah Right, how sex will literally blind you.

Walter:

You did that with Samson.

Shanea:

Yes.

Walter:

You did that with Samson.

Shanea:

He will literally blind you spiritually. You will lose your vision, you will lose God's presence, you won't be able to see what's really going on because you're distracted by the spirit of lust, the spirit of perversion, because you want to get your rocks off. Yeah, and you see that with Samson and Delilah.

Walter:

He was so caught up in that girl.

Shanea:

He was so caught up in that girl and he told her something he was not supposed to tell anybody he lost his eyesight?

Walter:

He wasn't supposed to tell anybody that.

Shanea:

Lost all his spiritual power.

Walter:

That was a covenant that he made.

Shanea:

Yes, think about it.

Walter:

That was a spiritual covenant that he made and, to the point of what we was talking about earlier, that's actually 1 Corinthians 6, beginning at 15. And did we read?

Shanea:

there we read first corinthians uh, I think 16 do something, I don't remember okay.

Walter:

So it says don't you? Did you read this? Don't you realize that your bodies are actual, actually parts of christ? Should a man take his body, which is a part of christ, and join it to a prostitute?

Shanea:

no, how do you read it? Okay, yeah verse 15.

Walter:

This is for you. Do you read it? Okay, yeah, verse 15. This is for you, who you know. Question all of that First, corinthians, chapter six, verse 15 through verse 20. Don't you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never, mm-hmm, for the scripture says the two are united into one, but the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.

Walter:

Run from sexual sin. No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. Mm-hmm. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. Don't you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

Shanea:

I think I said the same thing, but it's different. Is that New King James or the?

Walter:

NLT too.

Shanea:

Nlt. Yeah, I remember we talked about this about. If you're not joining yourself with God's spirit, then whose spirit or spirits are you joining yourself to? So if they ask, where is this at biblically? That is it.

Walter:

Yeah, and this digs into the fact and we touched on this before that you can connect yourself and be and create a covenant outside of the will of god. Yeah, you can, but what you got to understand is, every time you're doing this, you're, you're literally connecting yourself, but this is illegal. That paul was touching on. This is not paul saying that, oh, the two become one, in a sense of what god said, right, this the two become one illegally.

Walter:

Yes, illegally exactly illegally so people, we, we, we have to say this every time you have sex, every time you lay down with someone, you are illegally connecting yourself to somebody else yeah, if it's not god's original design, you laying down with someone does make you one it's just not in the sense of the way god designed it to be no it's like a.

Walter:

Once again, it's an unequally it doesn't make you one with god's spirit, no, if his spirit's not there it doesn't make you one in that sense um, it's a connection, it's a soul tie yeah it's a I don't know how else to explain it, but just saying it's an illegal covenant within the spirit realm it's like a backdoor covenant yeah, and now you keep making all these covenants with all these people that you're having sex with and who they had sex with now you got to go through the process of all of that stuff being broken, which it can be, yes, but it's a process and it's not easy.

Walter:

So where do we go from here? I know we did that. Uh, let's see. And we are pressed for time yeah, um what do you want to touch on now? Because we done touched on that, but some good stuff yeah um, let's see and we deal with this week to week everyone. It's just it'd be so much information that we've been trying to get to you all.

Shanea:

Yeah, and we wish we could do these at 30 minutes but it's just so much information and we can go even deeper, but this is just. These are just segues for you to take back to the Lord and say, hey God, I had a question about this. Or you guys just write us in the comments.

Walter:

But it's also that you want to go study on your own time. Spend time with the Lord.

Shanea:

Reflect on everything, so you can have your own revelation.

Walter:

Yeah, because we can speak to you about this as much as we want.

Shanea:

Yeah.

Walter:

True change comes through revelation. You have to have a revelation and once you have that revelation, that's what bring for change. Right? If you don't have the revelation, you're not going to change. Right, the power is in the revelation, right. But if we got about 10 more minutes, babe, what do you want to touch on? What do you think we can touch on? That would be important to give prior to closing up where did we just stop at um Second two? Yes.

Shanea:

Okay, I think we kind of talked about three already.

Walter:

Yeah. The bondage associated. We did. We've touched on generational consequences with sex and bloodlines, but if you want to do an overview of that, you can Really just to drive that home. And I guess what comes to mind and we touched on this, um, hopefully people don't become offended, so I know this within the body of christ, um, there are uh many, uh quote-unquote brothers that struggle with homosexuality mm-hmm and by that I mean african-american men yeah it is a lot so we're talking about how um sexual immorality travels through your bloodline.

Walter:

Yeah, and so I would always question, because I see some of the you know, praise and worship leaders, they struggle with it. Some of the leaders, uh, they struggle with it. Pastors, preachers, they struggle with it. It's heavily on them. Um, either they they partook in that lifestyle and was brought out of it and still struggle with it pastors, preachers, they struggle with it is heavily on them, um, either they they partook in that lifestyle and was brought out of it and still struggle with it or whatever I'm like.

Walter:

Okay, god, what is this coming from? Why is this? Why is this? And I came across this video and, of course, you know I'm a. I was a history major and so I'm huge into historical stuff, right, uh, and you know you can do your research. Yet, uh, there is a time and they try to switch this out to indenture servitude.

Walter:

But it was not that no, it was not during the time of slavery, which was over 300 years, in this, in this country. Uh, there is a desire to break down the black man to emasculate him so there were things.

Walter:

There were abuse that he went through by way of the slave masters sexual abuse like heavy sexual abuse, exposing them to stuff that they should not have been exposed to, trying to break them and destroy their spirit to where they wouldn't fight against them. And, um, there was one story where a guy was tied to the bed, um, and forced to continue to perform acts, uh, with the slave master. And so now, when you begin to look at that, it's like, okay, now it's in the bloodline. Yeah, it started in the bloodline.

Shanea:

They did the same thing with women. Yeah, they were so um mesmerized by the way that their bodies were shaped um, contrary to what the non-colored women's bodies look like, and they would just parade them around, make them dance, do all kind of things that were, and now you fast forward and you see what, the music industry, blah, blah, blah, all of those things.

Walter:

And so when that made me realize, in just general, it's deeper, because they go from generation to generation to generation and then you don't realize what's in your bloodline so now it's culture you expose yourself to something, whatever that may be, and that small, that small sense of exposure or whatever opens up, quote unquote, pandora's box. And now you're dealing with a major situation, because it was never broken in the bloodline, it was never destroyed in the bloodline and it kept following until the next person touched it or even slightly cracked open that door, cracked open that door, and it happens by way of like molestation or rape or something like that.

Walter:

A lot of times these men struggle because they were touched, yes, or they had some type of sexual encounter as a child or you even have where the enemy would just come and speak a word yeah, and because it was there, it caused you to question your identity yes and so and that goes with women too and that's the.

Shanea:

The major thing with the enemy is that he will always try to destroy your, your, your image, your identity, because we're supposed to be made in the image of christ yeah, so it's almost.

Walter:

It's almost like a mockery to god, yeah, that he tries to destroy your identity. So we have that um that digs into generational consequences. I know you have here um eli's sons. Uh, did you want to touch on that? It's first samuel 2, 22 through 25, oh yeah, because they defiled the temple.

Shanea:

Yeah, they defiled the temple. So basically, they were um sexually assaulting women, and I don't know how young these women were or not, but they were sexually assaulting them in the temple of the Lord and they were cursed.

Walter:

And their dad was cursed and their dad, he destroyed every last one of them.

Shanea:

And he told them through Samuel. He told Eli yeah, they were all going to die.

Walter:

Yes, Because Eli didn't do anything about it.

Shanea:

No.

Walter:

He said you turned your head to what they were doing Exactly.

Shanea:

So it just got worse and worse and worse, and so that's that not addressing the issues, yeah, and it just flowing and getting worse and worse and worse.

Walter:

So sinful sexual patterns can lead to spiritual and physical barrenness.

Shanea:

Right.

Walter:

Affecting future generations.

Shanea:

It's deep, and it goes so deep, and we it's deep, it goes so deep, we can go so deep.

Walter:

If you want to look into that, you got Galatians 6 and 7. It touches on whatever you sow up you're going to reap.

Shanea:

You're always going to reap that harvest.

Walter:

Exodus 25, it says I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God and visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children that your consequences will fall upon your children. Yes. And your children's children. Yes, and your children's children's children.

Shanea:

Mm-hmm, and it will just go on and on and on. So you have to think about all the patterns happening in your family.

Walter:

Yeah.

Shanea:

Where there has been so much sexual sin.

Walter:

It makes you start thinking about it, because even me, I had to look back and say, okay, what is this tied to? Why is this the case? Why?

Shanea:

is that the case?

Walter:

Because there's things that has to be broken by the blood of Jesus Christ. There's covenants that has to be renounced and people will get you to believe. Oh, just speak the blood and everything is fine. No, there's covenants that have to be renounced.

Shanea:

Yeah, like I when I tell people, like heaven is a court system, the spirit realm is a court system, just like we have a court system here on earth. Earth mimics everything that has already happened or is happening in the heavens. God is our ultimate judge. There's a court system. There's a host.

Walter:

This didn't come out of nowhere. The way they have the court systems set up. And that's what we have to understand. This didn't come from people. Just think that people have these thoughts and man is just so like full of thoughts and they just create these things out of there out of nothing. And it's like no, that's not the case, it comes from somewhere.

Walter:

Whether it be light or dark, it comes from somewhere, whether it be from the kingdom of light, the kingdom of heaven, god, the Holy Spirit, jesus Christ, or whether it be by way of the enemy, the kingdom of darkness.

Shanea:

Exactly so. You have to look at the heavenly realm like a court system. It's literally a legal system. So you have to look at the heavenly realm like a court system. It's literally a legal system so you have to plead your case. You got to dig up your evidence. Yeah, why is this cycle happening continuously in my family?

Shanea:

yeah like in my family, a family of rape, molestestation, abuse, domestic abuse, violence, why you got to go all the way back. What covenants was made? Who was in occult? Who was a Freemason, who was an Eastern Star, who was in witchcraft?

Walter:

I don't know if you can say the R word. Can we say the R word? What, what you just said?

Shanea:

Oh.

Walter:

But continue. I don't know. I have to look at what we can and cannot say it's not being monetized, but yeah, you got to look and see what these I say a sexual assault, sexual assault, yeah, what that stems from, what all of these things stem from because, um, you really don't know what it stems from, you really don't know what it's connected to and you want to stop it for future generations.

Walter:

Stop it from affecting or impacting your children because I look it stops with you yeah, because I look back, even in my my uh blunt line and I see that it was a pattern with my father, with my mother, with my grandfather, my grandmother.

Walter:

It was a pattern that continued all the way to us it's like a pattern, pattern, pattern, pattern and so it's like an inevitable, and it just got worse with that regeneration I think with me it was just I didn't understand the spiritual implementations of it at the time, but I'm like, from a natural perspective, I just I'm like, okay, I can't be that, I can't let that continue yeah but now understanding the spirit is like okay, we attack it in the spirit, through prayer and through having allowing god to take us to the process of renewing our mind exactly, and becoming who god has called us to be, which is heirs, heirs we that's what we are.

Walter:

We are heirs so and so, and it's it's heirs to the kingdom is heirs of the father and so it's important to understand that. So I think you have the process, uh, this part of modesty purity.

Shanea:

You want to touch on that oh yeah, I was just um gonna go through. I like the importance of it. I guess, just breaking free from all of that, breaking free from all those breaking from from spiritual sexual immorality, first you have to what? Confess and be cleansed, john first, john one through nine, or first john, verse nine, and I won't read it because be a little pressed for time but confess your sins so that you can be cleansed to move forward. And you just talked about renewing your mind, which is Romans 12, to renewing your mind in Christ, allowing God to tell you who you are and not the enemy to tell you who you are. Because a lot of times our identity has been wrapped up in our sexual immorality right, our trauma, our hurt. Our identity is wrapped and morphed by the world.

Walter:

People that you surround yourself with family, friends, you become that. We talked about it the other night. It become learned behavior.

Shanea:

Yes, it's learned behavior.

Walter:

It's learned behavior.

Shanea:

Yes, it's learned behavior, it's influenced behavior and then walking in the spirit, so being allowed to be guided by the Holy Spirit. That's Galatians 5, 16. And then I wanted to touch on modesty, or basically your appearance. Right, modesty is nothing more than a reflection of the heart, and I think that's Mark 7. I had to go back and look and see.

Walter:

I know we touched on the reflection of the heart. Was that in Proverbs too? But you're not talking about that scripture, right?

Shanea:

I'm not talking about that scripture yes, that scripture but there's another scripture that I came upon and it's in Mark Dang. I'm sorry, I have so many notes.

Walter:

You're talking about Mark 7, 20? I can't find it. It says uh and this is the niv what comes out of a person is what defiles them, for it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come. Sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly All these evils come from inside and defiles a person. That was Jesus speaking.

Shanea:

So it's like your outward appearance is a reflection of what's going on inside of you Subconsciously, yeah, and you may not know it, but you dress provocatively because you have maybe a spirit of lust or you have a spirit of you know. Perversion rejection. Exactly Something that triggered you to continue to walk in this way.

Walter:

And then you. We talked about there being a stench. You attract.

Shanea:

You attract it? What?

Walter:

you're giving off Both men and women.

Shanea:

Yeah, and sometimes it's not even your fault. You might've been touched or something done to you while you were a kid, but it lingered with you. That's why you can move to a different state, you can go to a different school, you can date a different person, you could talk to a different person, and they'll all treat you the same way. You'll always end up in this cycle of feeling ashamed or guilt, or nasty or dirty, or you know.

Shanea:

That's nothing but the enemy so, and then it shapes your identity, so you start to dress like how you feel on the inside so we have to be mindful yeah, and the other thing was um dressing in a way, because this was men and women. Um, because men walk around with their shirts on or their boxers on Instagram and the women, they got their breasts out.

Walter:

It's so weird. Let me go ahead and say this, and then I'm going to let my wife go because we press for time. Men, I'm sorry, please. It's weird when men be posting thirst trap pictures and videos. That's very weird. It really makes it seem as if you are seeking attention, like women seek attention but it's just a spirit of perversion. I know, but it's it's weird to me, you don't.

Shanea:

You think it's innocent, but it is really like a spirit of perversion, and then it just further perpetuates um the spirit of homosexuality, because now, like men, you don't have just men, women looking at you, you have men looking at you also you know, and it's like women you are, your audience is women, but you're doing all these videos with um, like these dressing videos with outfits and stuff like that.

Shanea:

But you're putting on outfits, you're showing us your underwear, like your bra and your panties, then you want to put on, you know, a shirt, you want to put on a skirt and then you want to show your outfit, like I don't need to see your naked body before you put your clothes on. You could just show me the outfit.

Walter:

They'll be mad at that.

Shanea:

I don't care, because it perpetuates a spirit of perversion and it makes you feel I don't know how am I supposed to say this, but it entices you to continue to look at a body you're not supposed to be looking at and it grooms you into looking.

Walter:

It's not natural and especially for women who are believers. The Bible tells us just women and men. You never want to do something that will cause your brother or your sister to fall into sin. Yes.

Walter:

And so that's both parties, because I know men talk about it a lot with women. Yet men, you have to be mindful as well. Also, you can't go out here with your chest hairs out and all that stuff you got to be mindful of how you carry yourself. Exactly these skin, tight shirts when you're trying to show off your muscles and all of those things. I'm sorry you got. You got to be mindful too, because women in the church be looking at that as well. You ain't no different than those women.

Shanea:

And a lot of men and a lot of women I know who are. They say that they're in Christ and they could dress how they want and God knows them and they know that and God knows their heart. But it's like you're dressing in a way that can cause another person to fall into sin. You're causing someone to lust after you. You're causing someone who may be struggling to you know. It's like dangling a bottle of alcohol in front of a sober person.

Shanea:

They've been sober for 18 years, but you're dangling yeah, a bottle of alcohol, yeah alcoholic, they had an alcohol addiction and you're just dangling in front of them you gotta be mindful, but also we're supposed to be set apart yeah, so we set the examples exactly. We can't. We can't look like the world in the bible. You know all the priests. They had a certain attire that they had to wear so that people would know oh, these, these people are people of God. They don't look like the world.

Walter:

Yeah, that's true. So we're going to wrap this up. What are the key points you want to like? Do you want to add anything else? Because I see you had a few things in here, with modesty, that you want to touch on before we ended out.

Shanea:

No, I think, for right now that's cool to touch on before we end it out. No, I think um, for right now that's cool.

Walter:

I think I'll probably touch on it later when I speak more, okay, you know, to my ladies, okay, so, um, we touched on a lot of things today just be mindful, please be mindful. Be mindful of our sexual moralities, sex outside of marriage, um, exposing yourself to things that can be negatively impactful to you as believers taking on pagan-like ways. Be mindful of all of that stuff because it can negatively impact you and connect you to things spiritually. That would not be good for you. That would make you spiritually sick.

Shanea:

Yeah, I think the thing is Matthew 10, 34 through 36. If you could find that real quick, matthew 10, 34. Where the Lord says says don't imagine. Is that the lord is speaking because I have a high level, okay, um, don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth. I came not to bring peace, but a sword. I'll come to set man. Set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household.

Shanea:

So this is saying you have to come out from among people who are going to um turn you away from christ or continue to perpetuate your own ideas of what sexual immorality is yeah, yeah so if you're around people who condone your behavior, who couldn't know, who aren't, hey, you know, cover yourself up. Hey, don't have sex with this person. Oh you know, don't do this, don't do that. If you're around people who are okay with you, just doing whatever you want to do and they're not holding you to a higher standard because you are god's children, you have a higher standard you have to come up from among them and people will get mad at you.

Shanea:

It's like why are you not talking to me? Why are you not talking to your mom? Why are you not talking to your brother? Why are you not talking to your sister? And it's because jesus didn't come here for that, he said to come out from among everyone that would be negatively impactful.

Walter:

So I think that's a takeaway so, uh, we pray that this has been a blessing to you all. And, babe, you want to end it out?

Shanea:

I did it like comment oh that we do the same thing. I'm sorry, um, thank you guys for listening. Um, we appreciate you guys support. Um, we do see, uh, repeaters in the comments and and posting on instagram and we love you guys so much and we pray that one day maybe we can repost everything that you guys are reposting. But this is not our channel, this is not our podcast. No, and we don't promote this podcast. Yeah, um, so, um, I'm sorry if people feel left out or um, but we're here for you.

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