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What God Joined Together: Part Two
A powerful spiritual awakening unfolds as Walter and Shanea share Part 2 of their extraordinary testimony. Their story begins with a seven-month separation that God used to transform their hearts before orchestrating their reunion through supernatural means.
Walter reveals how God confronted him about seeking everyone's opinion on his relationship except God's own. This divine intervention led to a series of prophetic dreams and visions about Shanea, including one where angels declared it was time for their reunion. Meanwhile, Shanea struggled with skepticism despite feeling drawn back to Walter after a horrifying supernatural encounter in her home, where her daughter saw a demonic snake trying to attack her.
The turning point came when Walter arrived at Shanea's home to pray against these demonic forces. Without knowing what had happened, Walter spiritually discerned the same snake entity trying to wrap around his arm during prayer. This dramatic spiritual warfare culminated in Shanea's deliverance from ancestral worship practices and new age spirituality she had been involved with, leading to her salvation and their eventual marriage.
Their testimony challenges conventional wisdom about relationships, revealing how both had previously married partners God never intended for them. These misaligned unions had perpetuated generational curses and spiritual bondage in their lives. Now united in a God-ordained marriage, they've discovered an authentic intimacy and spiritual alignment that feels supernatural yet completely natural.
Walter and Shanea now minister to others about God's design for marriage—complete transparency, shared resources, and proper spiritual order where both spouses submit to Christ first. Their journey demonstrates how surrendering to God's perfect will, however uncomfortable initially, leads to fulfillment beyond what personal preferences could ever provide.
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Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where, together, we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact the relationship you have with others. I'm your host, walter. I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife. Shania and this is episode 26. I think episode 26. I believe so, welcome back. I believe you prayed last 26. I believe so, welcome back. I believe you prayed last week. I did.
Speaker 1:So we are believers, so the first place we start off in is prayer. Okay, father God, as we come before you, we are so grateful for your love, your mercy, your grace and your kindness. We pray, father God, that your perfect will will continue to be carried out in our lives and the lives of the listeners. God, we thank you, father God, that even as we speak this week on this week's episode, it will reach the ears of those you've called for to reach, that their eyes will be open, their spiritual eyes and their spiritual ears will be open to receive what you have to say. We thank you that you are here in the midst, even now, when we submit to the Holy Spirit. Have your way, shift this atmosphere. Shift this atmosphere even now. Allow your presence to be felt Even now, in the name of Jesus. We pray, lord Jesus, we welcome you, angels of the Lord, we acknowledge you, father God, we submit to you In Jesus' name. We pray Amen. Amen what.
Speaker 2:It was a little long-winded today.
Speaker 1:I know you're not talking because last week you had this two-second prayer.
Speaker 2:Hey them. Two-second prayers be helpful.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, sometimes it flows.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they do.
Speaker 1:So this is episode 26. What is this week's title? Do you remember?
Speaker 2:What God Joined Together, Part 2.
Speaker 1:Why you had to do that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Hey, you guys.
Speaker 1:All right then. So I guess we get started.
Speaker 2:Do you remember where we left off at last week? I?
Speaker 1:think we left off at me oh, we were talking about the dream you had, the encounter I had with the devil at my house. Well, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that took place and it's just not enough time to share it all. There were a few dreams I had prior to us even coming back together. There was one in particular I had. Oh well, just context, this episode is part two of our part one testimony you want to listen to part one first, or you can.
Speaker 2:You can listen to this episode.
Speaker 1:It's fine but you're not going to know where we're at Go back to the previous episode.
Speaker 2:We're sharing our testimony of how we met.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is the part of how we came back together. Because of everything else, we were separated.
Speaker 2:And now we're talking about how God actually brought us back together.
Speaker 1:And when we were separated it was like seven months.
Speaker 2:Almost a year yeah, we were separated for like seven months. Almost a year yeah, we were separated for like seven months.
Speaker 1:So so, and I mean during the period of that time and I spoke on this, you know, god was dealing with me, cause I was struggling and, um, he was struggling with the idea of of you and I, um I, being together. Okay, it didn't make sense because I mean we'll fast forward.
Speaker 1:I had a conversation with a friend of mine who was a pastor at the time and he told me I wasn't hearing from God. He told me I had a conversation with him, actually, I believe, the week after Thanksgiving or the day after Thanksgiving, something like that. The week after Thanksgiving, I think. He told me I wasn't hearing from God.
Speaker 2:That we were supposed to be together.
Speaker 1:That we weren't supposed to be together, that it was just me, because why would God speak to me?
Speaker 2:I was a sinner, is what he told me, because God was telling you that I was your wife.
Speaker 1:I believe yeah, god was telling you I, we were that I was your wife. Um, I believe, yeah, god was telling you I was your wife I don't know if I had the conversation with him after god told me what he told me um I don't think I had the conversation with him yet about you being my wife. I think I had the conversation with him initially when I heard the voice of god oh, because he was the only person that I knew of at the time.
Speaker 2:That was like oh, because you had. God had asked you why you didn't ask him.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:About why?
Speaker 1:Yeah, God had asked me. He came to me November 26,. I believe.
Speaker 1:And he stated to me you went to everybody, went to everybody, you know, as far as you asked everybody their opinion about what was going on, when you're going to come to me and ask me what I thought about the situation? And I asked him and then he told me you, I, essentially I was exactly where he wanted me to be. The problem was that, as I was loving you, I was loving you. I wasn't loving you through him, right, and so I, you know, he began to loving you through him, right and so I, you know, he began to talk to me about different things and I had the conversation with a friend of mine who was a Christian, who was a pastor, and he told me that wasn't God Cause.
Speaker 1:God wouldn't speak to a sinner and you know I'm not reading my Bible, I'm not praying, I haven't been going to church that's crazy talk it was um. Thankfully I didn't listen yeah uh, because god did speak to me and there's countless examples in the bible of god speaking to quote, unquote sinners yeah so I mean even with paul I mean, jesus didn't go to believers, he went to sinners, unbelievers, unbelievers, and even with with Paul.
Speaker 1:Paul was religious. Yeah, paul was killing the followers of Christ, and Jesus himself stopped him in his tracks and spoke to him. Yeah. And I said that instead of unalive, but whatever. Yeah. Paul was unaliving the followers of Christ and Jesus stopped him in his tracks and said Paul, why are you persecuting me? Yeah. Uh, God gave Pharaoh the dream. Yeah. Before, warning of what was going to come, which Joseph translated God also spoke to um what that?
Speaker 2:what's the name of that King that um?
Speaker 1:Nebuchadnezzar.
Speaker 2:No, the one that was about to take Abraham's wife.
Speaker 1:I know who you're talking about, but I don't remember. I don't remember his name. I spoke to him in a dream.
Speaker 2:He said don't you touch that woman.
Speaker 1:And he was shook. He was like yo, I haven't touched her. He told me it was her sister. So God, do speak to people who are quote unquote, as you would say sinners.
Speaker 2:God speaks to everyone.
Speaker 1:It's just we just don't listen. God speaks to who he choose to speak to, and if he want to make himself known to where you have no other choice to listen, he will. He surely will, because he's God. That happened, and so I think it's important to state that. We went through this process for about seven months, and it was a series of things that God was saying to me that you are not confirming. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I didn't know. I'm hearing all of these things, I'm having dream after dream after dream about things that you're dealing with. So and I told him last week, I was travailing. I was travailing for my salvation, or not my salvation, but for what God was trying to break through in me. I was travailing for your salvation and there was something being birthed for it in the spirit realm. Yet what God was doing is he was taking me through this process because I was not accepting the idea I would accept it, but I didn't really accept it because I told you.
Speaker 1:I told you the conversation I had when I was in the car and God told me that I stated that I accepted, but I did not accept that he called you to be my wife. Yeah. Because I hadn't really looked at it as a reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was an unbelief still in you.
Speaker 1:And so he made me sit in the car until I broke and I shifted. I knew it had broke because I shifted, but then also as I was going through the process.
Speaker 2:You shifted to what?
Speaker 1:To really just resting in the fact that he had called you to be my wife. You just accepted it yes, so when I would speak about, I'm like, oh, my wife, my wife, my wife, it shifted now I wasn't thinking about, but maybe, maybe, just in case you were speaking it as it was.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so there's a series of things that took place we talked about last week. I was using me to access your hurt. I remember having visions. It was one vision I had, in particular, where I saw you crying on your bed, uncontrollably, uncontrollably, and I was praying and I I could feel the rivers of tears coming out of them. It made sense. It was just like a rivers of uncontrollable tears.
Speaker 1:So I know that you had, I knew you had been through an unexplainable amount or an unimaginable amount of pain. But then also I know that it was some things going on within the spirit and realm from the demonic perspective, because there was one time I was praying for you and I think I told you I could hear the demons screeching in my ear and to anyone that has not heard, it is such an a weird sound yeah, like when you're coming up against the enemy and they don't like it they're screaming so I could hear the demon screaming as I was praying and I I was in the battle prayer or like battle tongues, but there was many examples and things that took place that God revealed to me about you and I was looking over some stuff recently and I'm like a lot of things that he said has been taking place, it had taken place.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so what came to mind, right is when I was kind of going over all of this is what God said to, or what the Bible says about, samuel. And so you know, we know this story. And for those, those that don't, and that's a train, of course, right on time, but for those, yeah, but for those that don't know the story, um, sam, first, samuel, uh, samuel, chapter 3, it touches on how.
Speaker 1:God spoke to Samuel how Samuel was in the temple he was by he was, let's see. He was in the part of the tabernacle that was near the Ark of God and God told Samuel some things about Eli right, and told him essentially that he had called him to be a prophet. And so verse 19 of 1 Samuel, chapter 3, it says as Samuel grew up, the Lord was with him and everything Samuel said proved to be reliable. And all Israel, from Dan in the north to Bathsheba in the south, knew that Samuel was confirmed as a lot of stuff that God said to me about us.
Speaker 1:It came to pass, showcasing that first, I was hearing the voice of God, showcasing that everything he said was true and even some of the things that he revealed to me that you were dealing with was true. So fast forward. I had a dream, and in the dream you and I both were on the floor and it was like a bed or a cot or something on the floor and we were in the room.
Speaker 2:And this was during our separation.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, this was about a month before we came back together, um, and there was two angels there was your angel and there was my angel and it was consulting and it was like it's time that they come back together. It's like the father wants them to come back together. So it's time for them to come back together. But you were still not receptive of it. In the dream, you were still still. Your back was turned to me.
Speaker 1:And so the angels of the Lord made us hold hands, they made you hold my hand and they begin to pray, and they begin to pray about you know, for our union and all of those things. And then, after that, they had a conversation. I'll have to go back to the dream. I don't remember, but it was like, yeah, they said it's done.
Speaker 1:They say it is done it is done and so, um, he was still back, still term, and I woke up out of the dream. And then I had another dream and I told you about that dream with the bear and all of that stuff, and it was god preparing me and saying okay, it's time for you to reach out, because I had reached out to you a few times before to try to do a date and you would say no or you wouldn't even be responsive.
Speaker 1:But this time, after I reached out to you, you actually was responsive because we had saw each other. You had your hair cut, just like I had saw in the vision that I let you hear earlier today. I let her hear a vision that God gave me, where I saw her in the bathroom with a specific hairstyle. It was blind, it was short, curly, all of that stuff, and it was. She had cut her hair short and I didn't even know it yeah you.
Speaker 2:I cut my hair in April and I dyed it platinum blonde. And then you had a dream a vision like a vision.
Speaker 1:I think it was a vision.
Speaker 2:A vision like, maybe not even a week like this is like within like four days of me cutting my hair. You had, you had a vision of me with that same haircut, which is crazy, but we weren't talking at all.
Speaker 1:And he had, you didn't even know that I cut my hair I'm just having all of this stuff and I'm still trying to process because I don't like. I'm still learning how to.
Speaker 1:Still, to this day, I'm learning how to interpret dreams and visions but I'm, you know, I'm having these dreams, I'm having these visions, I'm seeing things. Um, I see everything else happening, like I would have a dream or vision about a friend or whatever, and it would happen, or someone approaching me and it would happen, or something that took place with the family member. And then I reach out and confirmed that it was. I was having dreams about previous experiences that they had and it happened. So I was having dreams that were futuristic.
Speaker 1:I was having dreams that were yeah, that was present and I was having dreams from the past, and there's still certain dreams. I'm waiting to see it come to pass, because it was so far off in the future, whether it be like with politics or whatever right, but we came back together. Um, after that, now we'll get into the dream I had about the snake. Um, because even when I had that dream, I had no clue that you was going through what you was going through at your house yeah, so when you reached out to me, I was open to going on a date with you, because I saw her with a hair I may mention to your hair you did.
Speaker 1:That's different you didn't and for whatever livid I was livid I was, I was like you could, because yeah, she cut her hair. Her hair was super long and so she cut it and um, you was receptive, even when I spoke to you and I saw you back though it did, but you was receptive. Um, even when I saw you in a car, and I don't know when I I don't know if I reached out in regards to a date around that time, like a day or so later or something yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was within that week because I did not want to because I had other plans for that week, that weekend, and you were like no god says you're not supposed to go, you're not supposed to be there, you're not supposed to go to this place. And I'm like no God says you're not supposed to go, you're not supposed to be there.
Speaker 1:You're not supposed to go to this place. And I'm like, see, I did hear that you were supposed to go to a party and I heard that you was not supposed to go. I was supposed to go to a cookout or something.
Speaker 2:And you were like God said you're not supposed to go, and I'm like see, this is what I'm talking about. This is why she didn't end up going either I didn't, I didn't end up going for some reason. I didn't, I didn't go she didn't.
Speaker 1:I wasn't able to go and I knew she wasn't gonna go because she was she and it wasn't because I didn't want to go, it was just I just didn't go she got mad at me, you got mad at me and I know and god was like she's not gonna go, she's not gonna to go, it's going to be fine and I, you know, we had our date and the date went horrible, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I picked a place and I'm like God, is this where you want me to go? And he said yes, and I was like I'm there. We had some conversations.
Speaker 2:You thinking this date about to be bomb? And it was absolute. It was a bomb.
Speaker 1:Trash. This date about to be bomb and it was absolute, it was a bomb trash, it was an absolute.
Speaker 2:The food was horrific this is like this is our first date after. It is like an expensive restaurant.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say five star, but at least like what. How many stars? It was. It had to be at least like four.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It was more like a three to me.
Speaker 1:The food was a three, but it was not, the food was like a two. The price of it was not.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:And so we went there. I thought it was going to be good, the food was going to be good. Everything was horrible. The steak was horrible.
Speaker 2:Everything was horrible, everything was. We had a tomahawk and it was, oh my gosh, it was so bad, like it was so bad. I was like you, gotta send this back.
Speaker 1:We got into uh, debate kind of disorder. I remember what it was, but it ended up being like well, she was pissed um and I'm like god why are you?
Speaker 2:he had got in his flesh yeah, I did, he was did. He was reverting back to old Walter and I was like, see, I know he's still there.
Speaker 1:And it was so challenging because, like she was waiting for me to make a mistake, she was waiting, she was hoping that I made a mistake, just to prove me, just to prove her right.
Speaker 2:Because he had been talking to me about Jesus and and she felt some type of way, cause I will be.
Speaker 1:I'll be pulling up to the apartment and I will be listening to music and she's like see he listening to R&B.
Speaker 2:I would hear him. I would hear like he. His car was parked Like what was it? It was like a little forest between my house, the parking lot. It was like a little forest between my house, the parking lot. It was like a forest and then a park, another parking lot where his car was, and I could hear his car in my house. I could hear the music and I'm like, see, you haven't changed and I'm literally listening to christian music he was bumping christian hip-hop and christian r&b and I'm like it sounded so and she's like he's still the same way and I'm like huh, that's why I was like I was.
Speaker 2:So I did not want to reconnect back with you because I thought you were lying meanwhile she even felt some type of way because my grandma was sick yes, and I'm big on family. I love, I love. I knew he loved his grandma and and I went to.
Speaker 1:I was supposed to go and spend thanksgiving with her. No, christmas, I think I was supposed to go for her for christmas and I was planning on going. I was tired, but I was planning on going to christmas and spend christmas with her. And people who get mad at this and god, anytime I would get ready to do something, whether someone wanted me to go and do something go out to dinner or whatever may have you, or go to see family or go to see friends and I was invited places. God would always remind me that I'm on assignment and I can't go nowhere. And so I was going to go see grandma and I'm like, ok, this is my grandmother, I love my grandmother, I want to see her. It's like an hour and a half drive away, two hours tops, and I was going to go spend Christmas day with her and he told me he's like if you go, you can go, but my hand won't be on your life. And I was pissed.
Speaker 2:And people would be like that's not God, I know.
Speaker 1:I was pissed and I went back home and I prayed. But people would be like that's not God, I know. I was pissed and I went back home and I prayed and that's what I did and I felt some type of way because I saw you going, doing whatever you do. I'm like see, she ain't even home, she's doing whatever she want to do and I'm out here having to pray and I can't be with my grandma. And it was really God really taking me.
Speaker 1:My friends were very important to me and my sister was very important to me. Sister was like a mother to me. I love my mom but, my sister raised me, so she was like a mom.
Speaker 2:And it's biblical Once you give your life to Christ, you're a follower of Christ, and he will tell you to leave everything. Your mother is not your mother. Your sister is not your sister. Your sister is not your sister. Your brother is not your brother. Your father is not your father. I didn't come here for peace. I came here to turn daughter from mother, father from son. I came to separate.
Speaker 1:It's challenging when you're going through it, and I think that's what I would say to people. It's not an easy process because you are literally. God literally took me through the process of dying to self. He would consistently remind me and this is key for women. He told me it started with me and one of the things that God was dealing with me on, and I took some notes on it because he brought it back to my memory.
Speaker 1:God was dealing with me on getting things back to how he initially called for it to be. Which was the man being the head, the man being the prayer warrior, the man being the watchman of the family, and so we talked about this in the previous episode. We grew up with praying grandmamas and praying mamas and praying aunties.
Speaker 1:We didn't hear much from our daddies as far as them praying and being prayer warriors, and so what I wrote down is that we've grown accustomed to seeing women lay their lives down for men, when in reality, the Bible tells us, as men, we are to lay down our lives for our wives, as Christ gave up his life for the church. And Christ becomes our example, and we become our wives' example, ultimately showing them how to follow Christ as we follow Christ, and we moved away from that model, and so we have a lot of women now that become the leaders in their homes spiritually. Yep.
Speaker 1:So I would say to women be very careful starting your relationship off that way, Even if you firmly believe that God has called you to be with that man, Because my wife knew that I was her husband but she wasn't pursuing me.
Speaker 1:God had me pursuing her, but it there was still a thin line because I could not idolize you and so it was challenging to be a part of that Right Um, and then also like I didn't want to be in that because it went against everything that we were taught. You don't pursue someone who don't want anything to do with you. Right. So we went through this entire process.
Speaker 2:And the thing is also, you weren't doing things for me because you wanted me back. You weren't doing things, for initially yes, Prior to your, your conversion, prior to your encounter with God you were. You were trying to love me through your own strength, but it wasn't working. And so that's what God was saying was like you were supposed to love her and you were loving her, but you weren't doing it with me. So you can't love her because you don't know, but you weren't doing it with me. So you can't love her because you don't know me and I know her better. Yeah, I know her better than you.
Speaker 1:And that's what he would tell me that he know her. He would say to me he said to me a few times, like when I was praying, I went to church whatever God would say to me that he knows her better than she knows herself.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so he was saying to me, because he knows her better than she knows herself, it's important for me to look to him on how to love her. I can't love her outside of him.
Speaker 2:Right. But when he was telling you to do these things, you weren't doing it because you wanted me back. You were doing it simply out of obedience and I wasn't like we both weren't looking to to be in a relationship. I mean you were. After we came back together you were like I want her to be my girl, but but initially we weren't like pursuing relationships. I wasn't gung ho on being married again, neither were you, and so I think it's important, because people they'll make an idol out of marriage or a person that they like and think that they're hearing from God, when it's really not God. It's the enemy trying to keep you distracted.
Speaker 1:You got to be really careful because God split us apart but at the same time, when God did that, he did that to correct something and when he brought us together, he brought us together mimicking what he always called for marriage to be a reflection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had to break us up because we were approaching our relationship like the world does. Yeah. And through our own lens, we were trying to love each other selfishly.
Speaker 1:And we were. You know, here's the danger. The world teaches you, and we talked about this in the previous episode. We still were broken, hurt individuals, both of us. Yeah, the world teaches you and we talked about this in the previous episode.
Speaker 1:We still were broken, hurt individuals, both of us, yeah and so I was looking at her to be whatever I felt I needed within a woman. That was, uh, just like a hodgepodge list of all of these different ladies I had dealt with in the past, taken away from them attributes that I liked, and then, on top of that, because of sexual experiences.
Speaker 1:I was also expecting her to be something that she can never be based off of my addiction to pornography, based off of previous sexual encounters I had, because that's what the world teaches you. The world teaches you about a sexual appetite yeah, and none of that is God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they teach you to date as many people as you can so that you know who you are, instead of going to the person who created you, going to the creator himself and saying, hey, this is who you are. You don't have to find yourself and what you like and what you don't like through dating all these different people, because you will get hurt.
Speaker 1:And I'm telling you that I don't care what nobody tells you. I'm telling you from my own personal experience that going through this process and I've never experienced this prior to this process I can't remember any previous sexual encounters I had I um, all of that shifted, that those desires were removed, those memories were removed. Um, god really kind of took me through a process of renewing my mind in that area. Um, there were things I still hold held on to, even with the previous relationship because I had a child. I deleted those things. I removed all that because God told me to. Even my perspective of my baby girl shifted to where it was made known to me that she don't come before you, she comes after you. It doesn't mean I love her any less, but it's just order because within marriage and just in general, it's God at the top, then your husband and your wife, then everything else, like your kids and everything else.
Speaker 1:So these are the things that God was preparing me for and taking me through, and it was challenging because I had my own worldview and I'm like I don't want to let that go.
Speaker 2:So he had to break me, because you don't know anything else yeah.
Speaker 2:No one teaches you anything else. You're like you take your experiences into another relationship. You take all this baggage and you base your relationship off of past, hurt past experiences, things you liked, things you didn't like. Past hurt past experiences, things you like, things you didn't like. And then some of the things that you didn't like you probably should like, but you don't like because of the way that you had you got it was handed to you like trash, you know. And so it is someone loving you in a way that god called them to love you.
Speaker 1:You won't even recognize it because you're you're still holding on to filth yeah, and that's what you was doing, right, and so we had all of this stuff. God brought us back together.
Speaker 1:The date went horrible yeah yet the date led to us having a conversation at your house yeah that really, um, opened a lot of stuff and opened the floor for us to be able to discuss a lot of things that we never discussed and find out things, because she had assumptions about me. I had assumptions about her that was incorrect, um, so the date being horrible led to us having a conversation, which turned out to be something that was needed to reshift things and start anew. We had that conversation and I think I reached out to you the following day to see about us trying to do a do-over for that Sunday, and then the Sunday date went better and I was like she, the enemy was fighting me and I'm like God. I don't know if she's going to respond or what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:He was like she's going to, she's going to accept we went on another date yeah, we went on the dates that sunday to uh the breakfast, the brunch spot I don't remember.
Speaker 2:I know, but we did. I'm sorry I I'm I my memory. I had to work on it.
Speaker 1:We went on a date to the brunch bar and it went a lot better and that's what led I went on a date with you. I invited you to church because I would invite her to church a lot and she would always reject, but I invited her to church again that night.
Speaker 2:And it's not because I didn't want to go to church. I just didn't want to go to church with him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she rejected and I went ahead and went to church and that's what led to you actually calling me. You called me after I got out of the church with what, what you was going through with the youngest oh yeah, okay so you want to talk about that?
Speaker 2:okay, I'm sorry. So, because of things that I've been through, my past, my, my memory, sometimes it just it'd be a little disassociated. Um, so what happened was after we had re-kindled, re-kindled something. What's wrong with you? I don't know, I'm probably tired. I had a little backstory so I had spiraled into going. I kind of went new age after my divorce just trying to find God in literally anything, everything I was trying to find God and which led to me into ancestral worship, new age practices, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1:And let me say this and this is going to be, and I'll let you go, and I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I want to say this Both of us were in previous marriages okay. We were never supposed to be in those marriages. And this is something that people would not tell you. When we were in those marriages, we were committing adultery against God and against each other. Because we were in those marriages, we were committing adultery against god and against each other because we were someplace that god never called us to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these marriages were sent by satan. It sure was, and we went through.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about spawns, spawns of satan when I tell you when we came together and listened to our stories of what we dealt with. It was the same type of people that the enemy brought into our lives to keep us away from where god had called for us to be and I knew kept us in bondage. People listen to me when you know that you're not supposed to be with someone.
Speaker 2:Don't get, don't do it because there was always a sign. There's always a sign like I don't, I know, I know it's like okay if it, I'm just gonna marry them because out of convenience and I know if something goes really wrong I can just divorce them. If you have that thought, don't do it.
Speaker 1:Or men thinking that I'm gonna get married because she's pregnant and I want to do the right thing and culturally you feel like that's what you're supposed to do. Do not do it.
Speaker 2:Do not do it, marriage is the most important decision Acts outside of salvation. Yes.
Speaker 1:Outside of your relationship with God.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Trust me when I say the enemy will bring you something that will set you up for failure.
Speaker 2:And people will say oh, you know, marriage is Satan. Satan hates marriages. No, satan, satan be putting marriages together.
Speaker 1:Okay, keep you outside of the plan.
Speaker 2:He will put you with someone Play with it If you want to drag you through filth drag you for no.
Speaker 1:say what it is, they will take you through hell.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, you for no, say what it is they will take you through hell. Oh yes, they will take, they will take you through hell. So, needless to say, we were in marriages prior to us coming together. That was hell.
Speaker 1:That was hell for the both of us, hell absolutely similar stuff and it was a generational curse because we were dealing with the same thing, except worse, that our parents dealt with and our parents parents dealt with. I am telling you when you look back.
Speaker 2:I had no clue. After I got out of that marriage and converted and God started showing me stuff and I started to study more in my Bible and I'm like, dang, the same things that happened to me happened to my mom, happened to my grandma, happened to my my great great to me, happened to my mom, happened to my grandma, happened to my my great-great-grandma, happened to my aunt, happened to my cousin, happened to my other cousins. I'm like it's the same thing, it just shows. It shows up a little differently because it's different people, but it's literally the same curse. It's the same spirits. It's the same spirits. It's the same agenda, which is death.
Speaker 1:And you get into that and you struggle with hearing from God, you struggle with having a relationship with God. You have a form of godliness but you don't have the power because you're outside. When God brought me and my wife together, when I tell you, everything began to open up. The flood gates of heaven opened up because I was where God told me to be. So even when we talked about sowing before, it was because I was sowing into good ground, not because I wanted to marry her, but because she was who God called me to be with. So she was good ground for me to sow into, from a perspective of me being called to be her husband and her being called to be my wife. Before we were brought into this world, the bible talks about jeremiah. Before anyone knew us, god had already called this to be. Before you were formed in your mother's womb, god already know who he's called you to be with.
Speaker 2:He has predestined a plan for you.
Speaker 1:He already know who he's called you to be with as a man, he already know what he's called you to be.
Speaker 2:And he know who you're going to choose.
Speaker 1:He know who you're going to choose. He know how that's going to turn out for you. He know the hell you're going to go through if you choose outside of what he's called you to. And he know eventually you're going to turn to him and you're going to fall right back into where he's called you to be yeah but continue, babe, I'm sorry, no, you're good, you're good.
Speaker 2:I kind of kind of went off there, yeah, but needless to say, um, we were separated and I'm trying to, I'm trying to explain this in a way. I'll just start back with the story. So I was into some stuff I shouldn't have been in, but because of my hurt, because of my pain and because of my, my family's history, um, because of my bloodline, naturally it was bound to happen at some point in time that I was going to get into spirituality and literally anyone from my, my bloodline would touch it because it's just there, um, and so one particular night, my daughter, our daughter now that we share, she would always wake up at like three, four o'clock in the morning, and in this particular time she woke up. She was extremely hot, really, really hot, and I tell this story, um, again in more detail on my channel that I'll be posting to or starting this week. Um, so stay tuned for that, um, and anyway, so, anyway.
Speaker 2:So she, she woke up, she was crying, she's like mommy, it's a snake. I see a snake is trying to bite me and I knew that this was real. I could, I did at this time, I was spiritual and I could see some stuff in the spirit realm, like I could see shadows, I hear stuff, but I wasn't. I wasn't where I am now, you know, on the other side. But I wasn't. I wasn't where I am now, you know, on the other side. But she was like mommy, there's a snake is trying to bite me. Oh my gosh. She's super terrified, she's in hysterics and I know what she's seeing is real and I couldn't see it and I'm like fake fighting. You know, and to any moms and dads out there, if your kids waking up in the middle of the night, you need to pray in your room, Play worship music while they're sleeping. If you have children right now, play worship music while they're sleeping at night.
Speaker 1:Play worship music throughout your entire house Throughout your entire house.
Speaker 2:You want to make sure your house is consecrated and holy and that nothing gets in.
Speaker 1:Nothing, not just any worship music either. If we can, we'll release a playlist, but there's specific artists that you can listen to that is anointed oh absolutely. Because a lot of people sing, worship, but they don't know God.
Speaker 2:That's true, they are singing from a tainted well and you want pure, pure water flowing through that house. But anywho, so she was up and I knew that this was real and I'm calling up my, my family member, who introduced me to ancestral worship, like hey, this is what's going on with with my baby. What is going on? I don't know because I can't see. I don't see the way, I can't see what's going on, but I know that there is a demonic entity here, there's something evil here, and so they told me to do something.
Speaker 2:Even more evil was like it was some type of ritual or something and I'm like this don't work. So I'm like God, like let me pray, I'm sorry I hit the hand. I'm like the only thing I can think of right now is like I got to pray. I'm like God, help me, because I can't see what is going on. I reverted back to that child who was always praying, day and night, because I grew up in a church, so I was just praying. I didn't have a. I never really had a relationship with Jesus because a little background, my family.
Speaker 1:They stayed away from them.
Speaker 2:My family didn't really speak about Jesus that much because they were Freemasons and Eastern Stars. So we went to church but nobody really talked about Jesus and I didn't know that. So that's, I can go down a rabbit hole, but I'll talk about that on my channel so that people can understand why I didn't really have a relationship with Jesus or I didn't know much about him to call on his name and I had been so far removed from God because of the previous relationship I was in for so long. And that's what happens when you're in a place you're not supposed to be it will draw you further and further and further and further away from God. And so then her fever kind of sort of broke.
Speaker 2:But she said that the snake bit her, it actually bit her, and we stayed up all night and a couple of days go by and Walter was on my mind and I'm like man, maybe I should call him and maybe just to see, like what he would say and you know, just kind of see what his thoughts was, because we we've had conversations before about spiritual things prior to us coming together. Like we, we talked about the supernatural and we talked about the spirit and stuff like that. So it wasn't. It wouldn't have been weird for me to call him and talk to him about my dream or anything that or or something that happened to me, because we just had that type of relationship, yeah, and so I called him and I'm like, hey, this is what happened. And then he's like, okay, I'm going to come over and we'll go pray. And you want to tell them what happened after that?
Speaker 1:When I called you, Well, interestingly, um, we found out later. Uh, when she told me about the snake, I remember the dream I had. I had a dream and apparently it was the same time they were going through what they were going through what's wrong?
Speaker 1:nothing on your head in a dream she was talking to her aunt and she was telling her aunt about how there was a snake in my house and how the snake had I don't know, did I say it bit Nyla or bit the young one, and she talked about how it had bit her little one, her little one now. And I woke up and I'm like huh. And when I woke up I had there was a demonic spirit that was were going through what they were going through at the apartment and I'm like what in the world is this woman doing? Like I'm I've already prayed through my place. I have worship music playing, the atmosphere has been set. There's nothing else going on in my apartment. It's constant prayer, constant worship, constant consecration, fasting. And I'm like what is she doing? What is she doing so fast forward? She reached out to me and I'm like, okay, yeah, we can pray, we gonna pray.
Speaker 1:But I called my sister and my brother, who are pastors, and they were like well, you don't need to go into. We Pray because we focus on you. We don't know what you're walking into. You don't know what you're walking into. So they're like we're not going to let you go there until we know that God has said it's okay. And so I told her I was going to call her back and we're praying, we're praying, we're praying, we're praying and we're waiting. And I hear God telling me to go in his authority. And I'm like, okay, I think we're good now I'm hearing God say go in his authority.
Speaker 1:And so that's why I went. I did not know what I was going into. I didn't know what I was getting into when I went there. So they told me, you know, because they had went through a process before of clearing a house out, and God had already revealed to her that you were dealing with crystals and you was dealing with all of these different things that were demonic, new age witchcraft, all that stuff. So she knew and God has showed me certain things in the dreams that you were dealing with too and so went there and immediately when I tell you all, as soon as I opened her door, immediately I felt that it was like a thick atmosphere that was extremely demonic. It was different because I had been to your place before but I was not there, so I never noticed.
Speaker 1:But, now that I was at where I was at spiritually, I immediately sensed that it was a space, it was very demonic, it was a lot of activity in her house. So I went and I just started praying, I'm praying and I went into your closet and I really like it was a sense, because sometimes I can see, sometimes I'll sense it was a sense because, sometimes I can see, sometimes I'll sense, sometimes I'll feel the presence there, whether it's the presence of God versus it being something that is demonic.
Speaker 1:And I just sensed that it was something that was really demonic, especially in that area where your closet was by your bathroom. So I'm praying, I'm talking to her and saying, hey, you know there's stuff in the house that you got to clear out. I'm praying, I'm praying, I'm talking to her and saying, hey, you know there's stuff in the house that you got to clear out. I'm praying, I'm praying, I'm praying and I think we're going through our praying throughout her.
Speaker 1:you know, throughout the little one's room, her room I touch your sofa and when I touch your sofa and this is going to sound crazy to those who know I could see as I was praying, I could see a snake begin to wrap itself around my arm.
Speaker 2:Right, which is crazy because that's where we were on the couch when the snake bit.
Speaker 1:Baby girl yeah, so I'm I know, this sounds crazy but she hasn't told me any of this right, so, like I'm praying. She didn't tell me what she's just like, so I'm praying. The snake is wrapping itself and I'm I'm praying against another thing. She heard me talking and telling the, saying that I see the snake as it's trying to wrap itself around my arm and I'm praying against him, and I think she heard me talking and telling the saying that I see the snake as it's trying to wrap itself around my arm and I'm praying. I'm speaking in tongues.
Speaker 2:I'm praying, no, you didn't tell me anything.
Speaker 1:I didn't tell you.
Speaker 2:I didn't know what was going on. All I saw was lights flickering. You was praying and you was doing all the things, and I was just sitting there in amazement yeah.
Speaker 1:So I was praying and then I said, the snake finally loose, loosened itself from his grip, and then, um, I got the release to move on, and so I touched the sofa that you had by that, that table, or whatever that was inside the console inside your, um, your living room and I saw that it was this man that was trying to hide.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I begin to pray and I remember saying I see you, I see you.
Speaker 2:You got to go to him and this was a. This is a. I guess it's an ancestral deity that a lot of people worship. In ancestral worship they build altars to this deity. You've seen him in kids shows and movies and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I had no clue that she had built an altar. I had no clue that that painting that was right above there was there. I had no clue. It was connected because you said you know the little one would go to that chair. Yeah.
Speaker 2:She would go to the chair by the, by the painting which I painted, a painting that basically was like a some African mask that literally was the same colors as this deity and I'm not going to say his name name right now, but maybe on my channel I'll probably go into it some more but um, it's basically like shadow man or something yeah um which I know his name, but I'm just putting out there so I saw that he was trying to hide, and the holy spirit allowed me to see him.
Speaker 1:So I began to pray against him too. How I prayed I just followed along with the Holy Spirit. It's not something that I did in my own strength. I couldn't see these things because of my own strength. I saw this because God allowed me to see it. You get into. The Bible talks about there being seers. The Bible talks about there being prophets.
Speaker 2:Discerning of spirits. Discerning of spirits.
Speaker 1:These are just gifts that God gives, and then there's offices that you can walk in, and I will leave it at that because I'm not getting in details. But I prayed, prayed. There was things that she had to throw away and then, you know, I did also. I was checking in with my sister and my brother as well, so I had someone that was also my covering as. I was going through this, so I didn't go in this by myself.
Speaker 1:I had coverings and they were praying as well, and so it was a team effort. But we went through that whole process and then, I believe you know, I came to you and I asked you did you want to give your life to God?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because at that time I was not a believer, obviously, and so I was like, yes, this is exactly what I've been looking for, god. I've been looking for you, thank you, thank you, thank you for finding me. I've been trying to find you and I could not, for the life of me, find you.
Speaker 1:You were looking in all the wrong places.
Speaker 2:I was being led in all the wrong places. I was being led into all the wrong places. I was being led into all the wrong places. The enemy just kept sending me people and I'm like, oh well, this looks, this looks like god, that looks like god, that looks like god. And then god showed up and I was like, thank you but I think it's important to understand everyone.
Speaker 1:if it had not been for me going through the process that god had me going through, like if she would have came to me in December or in November asking me to pray and I would have done, I would have been like no you got your behind. I wouldn't have went over there. I would have been like you and all this stuff you talking about. Don't ever call me again. I don't know what type of sorcery, wicked stuff you're dealing with. I want no parts. Lose my number. I'm moving to dc.
Speaker 2:I don't have but look, this is what christ called us too. We're not here for no reason.
Speaker 1:We're here literally to fight the kingdom of darkness but I am saying that I was not there and it is only by the grace of god that I got there, and if she would have caught me some months earlier, I would have been like no, I'm good, you on your own partner.
Speaker 2:But no, God allowed it to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's, it's, it's just also, uh, god will remind me that you know he takes you through the process to lead you, to put you in a place not it's worded and it'd be in the book I write, but to lead you in a place to where you're prepared for those moments when he present those moments to you. So the fasting, the praying, the consecration, this is why you have to be obedient.
Speaker 2:Yes, because you don't know why God is telling you to do the things that you're doing.
Speaker 2:You don't know why he's telling you to go this place, go that place, don't go here, don't do this. And you have to listen because you don't know. He knows everything. He knows where you need to be, when you need to be there and why you need to be there. Because he's planning ahead for your future, no different than you see your child doing something. You're like stop, because I could see. I could see a train wreck coming. I could see what's going to happen if you don't do this. When I'm telling you to do it, you know, I know that the I know what the consequences are If you don't do this right now, what I'm asking you to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we went through, I mean, but that night, may 8th actually that morning May 8 8th. Actually that morning, may 8th, early that morning, uh, shania gave her life to god and the war began within her lord have mercy. And if I knew, light and dark was just they were clashing because it was so much that, um, unknowingly, you expose yourself to yeah, but that's because of the calling that I have because you know, like she said, her family, uh, they've dived into, delved into ancestral worship occultism, occultism um, uh, all that stuff everything but then, interestingly, my family.
Speaker 1:We have nothing but prophets.
Speaker 2:We have seers we have evangelists so we're like, I'm like my family was the perverse version of his family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have multiple pastors, all that stuff. Even my mom I grew up, you know, even though my mom did, she didn't get it right with relationships either, but I do remember my mom praying and speaking in tongues and my mom would tell me about how she would be attacked by demons.
Speaker 1:And you know my dad, he, he had a mantle on his life before he passed away, and so it's all of those things that I came from, but in this, things that she came from as well, and so it was a battle. After that, you know, for like a week or so, we went through a battle, uh, day in, day out. Sometimes I was concerned about her going to work because she was manifesting. She was manifesting heavy, and this is the first this is the first time your boy seen anything like this. It was like I was doing shoot.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know, deliverance was a thing listen.
Speaker 1:What's the name of that movie?
Speaker 2:what movie? That when they uh, it was like the exorcism bro it was like the exorcist, it was like um, like some emily rose it was. It was do it.
Speaker 1:Listen.
Speaker 2:If god ain't with you, don't do it well, the thing is, whenever demons are present and they're manifesting, the kingdom of heaven is here the kingdom of heaven is present if you see someone manifesting you. You could be talking to somebody. You don't even know why they mad at you.
Speaker 1:That's because the spirit of God, listen, it was crazy, like we, literally like she's going through deliverance once again. My brother, my sister, is there on FaceTime and, um, the angels of the Lord is in the room with us and she's manifesting and we're having to have the angels of the Lord assist us to hold her hands and to hold her feet, because the demons inside and I was able to see one of them, a real nasty looking one, by the grace of God, and it was the face was deformed, the mouth was open.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're going in a detail.
Speaker 1:It was drooling, all of that stuff, Like when I tell you they probably don't think I'm crazy, but this stuff is real.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is for those who are believers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this stuff was real.
Speaker 2:We're not talking about Christians. We're talking about believers.
Speaker 1:This stuff is real. But my wife, she can attest, she you know how.
Speaker 2:What's crazy is like I felt like I was in like, if anyone has ever watched Get Out, I was in a sunken place. I could see everything that was going on. I could feel everything that was going on. It was crazy because when he asked me, did I want to give my life to Christ, I was like, yes, I see God right here. This is exactly what I've been looking for. But something deep down inside me was like no, don't do it. My body started shaking and we started going through renouncing the next day and I felt something rise up in me and I was like whoa what?
Speaker 1:is this. It was a lot.
Speaker 2:I was like what is this? It felt like it was another being in me trying to come out, trying to stop what was happening, and it was just like. After that it was like I was in, I was, I was in the sun place. It was like that lady just like started stirring her little teak thing and I was done and it was, it was and it was just a battle between it was it was hard in the beginning because she had unforgiveness in her, so there was things you had to.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah you had to forgive and I I had a lot of hurt.
Speaker 1:I would call out demons and they would be like and it was one that I called out in particular, and it was like, speaking to me, it's like I'm not, I can't go because she won't let me go, and so it was like this is something, literally, where you have to be led by the spirit of God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they'll say this ain't biblical. But it's biblical and everybody has different experiences. Obviously this ain't for y'all, I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I know what I listen. I grew up in the church, I grew up religious. I grew up being a PK. I know the religious view. I know the Bible from the front to the back. You can miss me with your religious demon. I don't care what you said. You can tell me whatever you want to tell me, but I know what I saw and that's why my relationship with God is my relationship with God, Because I've experienced God. I've experienced the supernatural and I know God is real. I've experienced it since I was a child. You can't tell me because I've experienced my spirit traveling. I've experienced unexplainable things taking place and no one being able to tell me what it is. I've experienced the audible voice of God. I don't care what you say.
Speaker 2:I know it's real. The thing is is when you're religious, it sears God's presence, it sears the supernatural. So things that you used to experience you don't experience anymore, because people like that ain't God, that's the demon, that's a devil, that's you know. But it's spiritual. God is spirit and truth.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And sometimes when we're explaining stuff, people don't get it because they're like the Pharisees. Yeah, we're literally speaking the words of Jesus and they're like this is, this is demonic.
Speaker 1:But prayerfully the veil be lifted from above. You all. But we went through all of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We came back together. It was a process and we ended up getting married super quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh. So the thing was, while I knew he was my husband, like deep down inside I didn't want him to be my husband. I wanted my next marriage to look like and you didn't fit what I wanted, even though I had asked God to give me what he wanted. But I still had a list, like I had like a mental list that I didn't know that I should not have had, and so I couldn't.
Speaker 1:Mine was broken and I took all that for me. I couldn't even accept what God had for me yeah, and I mean, at first I was that way too, but I went through a process before she did right, and so at first, I had a list as well and she did not like she was beautiful, she was all of these things.
Speaker 1:But like I knew first of all if I was to do it because I didn't want to do it I was going to travel the world, I was going to do a software firm dealing with process improvement. I was not going to be tied down into America, I was actually going to travel to Europe. So I had my own plans in place, so it didn't fit into the equation. I didn't want to be married, I just wanted to raise my child and keep it moving.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I had all these while we were together. I'm like I know God is real and I know you can hear from God and I know you're saying that I'm your wife, but I still have not accepted it. But I want to do God's will. I have not accepted it, but I want to do God's will. I want to do what God wants me to do. I want to be in his will, even if it, even if it's uncomfortable for me, because I don't want to be in this relationship. But I know this is where God has called me to be, but I can't see it.
Speaker 1:And I had to. Um, because I prayed on it and God kept telling me that he had already revealed it to her. Um, he told me, even when we weren't together, that he revealed to her that I was her husband and I was who he called her to be with and that she loved me and that she cared about me. Really. She did and she did. It was just something that was deeply embedded in. And it got to a point to where I had to. God had a conversation with me and he's like let me handle it, don't, don't bring it up, no more. I will. I will reveal it to her.
Speaker 1:But, what he told me to tell her is don't focus on that. Focus on the relationship with him.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:So I was asking I'm like God, is he my husband? Is he my husband? You're going to give me a vision, a sign or something, I don't know, but, like, I know he is, but I don't know that he is, I don't have any confirmation. So while I was going through the process of deliverance and renewing my mind, I God finally in a dream, because I'm a dreamer, I've always dreamed. I've dreamed my entire life. There hasn't been any real moments in my life where I've never not dreamed. I might've gone a day without a dream or two days without remembering a dream, but I've always been a dreamer.
Speaker 2:And so, even while we were together, prior to us coming, I never had any dreams about you. Even while we were together, prior to us coming, I never had any dreams about you, never had no dreams, no visions or nothing. But then I got this one particular dream and in the dream I saw you at the altar. I was walking to you and you didn't have any hair and at the time, when we were together, you had hair and you didn't have hair and you was in a blue suit and it was just us. It was nobody else, it was just us. And I was like dang, ok, now he's my husband, god, you reveal it to me, thank you. And then gave us a date. We got married and the day we got married, like was it a week before? You cut all your hair off and so, literally, he was bald and he had a blue suit and we got married at the courthouse and it was just us. We couldn't invite nobody else, we couldn't tell nobody or nothing. It was just me, you, you and God.
Speaker 1:Yep. And people felt some type of way, because we was going to do like a small wedding. We was going to put something together with a few people and it was like oh, but tell them, tell them what happened.
Speaker 2:And so I want to tell them how did we even get to the marriage part? Because, like, we knew we were supposed to be together and at this time we were just, we were just in our Bibles, we were praying, we were you know, we was just really going hard for God and we were just sitting on a couch and I looked at you, something told me to look at you. I looked at you and I'm like is there something you want to ask me? And it was random. We were just chilling, like we weren't even talking about anything. I think we was actually like watching tv or I had got off of work. We were just chilling and I was like is it something you want to ask me? What would you say?
Speaker 1:what'd I say will you marry me?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 1:You don't remember it's been a lot happening. I didn't have a ring at the time, we didn't have anything, and it's just like he like I didn't even know what he was about to ask me.
Speaker 2:I was just like, is there something like you need to say or something, is there something? Yeah, I listen. And then it just rolled off his tongue and he didn't even know why he had.
Speaker 1:I didn't know why I asked it. It's not a conventional situation that we dealt with. It's a lot of stuff that we've dealt with in our marriage. It's really been God-ordained, God-driven.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Total surrender, total obedience. Yet being the case, we've been able to experience god in such an amazing way, and so we got married. I'm not going to tell them my marriage date, because that's not their business, but we got married, um, and you know one of the interesting things about our marriage? Because we both can see, uh, and we can talk about this just in general. There's nothing my wife can do or nothing that my wife can struggle with, that God won't reveal to me, and vice versa. We've had to have some uncomfortable conversations because we still had to go through yeah, I had to go through renewal.
Speaker 2:There were, so he had seven months of and just him and God and. God, taking him through, the process, taking him through every every trauma he had, every, every, everything that he was dealing with. God showed him himself and revealed parts of himself that he had to work on, and he was able to do that that he had to work on and he was able to do that.
Speaker 2:But it was so difficult because I now I had to go through the process and I had to do it with my husband knowing everything that needed to be worked out of me, and it was uncomfortable because there were things that I had that was revealed that were uncomfortable for him to listen to, because it was stuff that happened to me.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how to explain this just things that she went through, um, and maybe she'll get it get to within her channel, but there's things my wife went through that was really difficult and part of just the gift of the office that I operate in, it's just in general, I see things about people that it's challenging to see, but it's even more challenging when it's my wife or someone that's close to me and it's just. It took some time because initially starting out, I struggled with it and we had disagreements earlier on because I didn't know how to process through the stuff that I was dealing with and I was seeing. But it was also God maturing me to be able to see. So now God revealed something and I'm like, okay, this is what's going on, you got to take this to God.
Speaker 2:Right and then allowing me grace to, to work through it, because you had time to be able to work through the things that you work through. And then it was like God was revealing stuff to you about me before I even knew I needed to work on it. And then you then, once it was revealed to me, you were. You would be like well, why isn't this, why isn't this gone? Why didn't you give it to God yet? And I'm like I'm just a baby, I don't know.
Speaker 1:And God would consistently deal with me on the importance of giving her grace. But this was really a learning experience for both of us, because there's no, there's no book that we can read about this. There's, I think, only one other couple two of our pastors that kind of dealt with God-ordained marriages, but there's no one that we can go to. So all we had is the Holy Spirit, and I had to learn to yield to the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:And this is part of the beauty of it is that if, in those moments when I would do something, where I wasn't extending grace to my wife, the Holy Spirit would deal with me and tell me stop you know, and he would really bring forth conviction, and so. But it's challenging for both of us because, um, this is how God has called for it to be, because we are supposed to share in our burdens yes and uh, there's things that my wife struggles with, there's things that I may struggle with.
Speaker 1:We're there to pray each other through it yes we are our, we're each other coverings right, and so the grace of being in the god-ordained marriage is that, um, there's a grace to walk with her through those stuff that she's dealt with, and vice versa. The beauty that I look at with Shania is that I went through a lot of stuff alone, with no one to really talk to about it. It's challenging to go through healing when you're by yourself. It's challenging to see and witness things when you're by yourself.
Speaker 1:it's challenging to see and witness things when you're by yourself. But having her in us, being in this together, is beautiful and it's amazing because it's like you have a partner in this where you're like, okay, they can pray for you, they can pray you through some things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. Jesus never sent anyone out by themselves and God didn't create man to stay by himself.
Speaker 1:And I think I would say, you know, now that I look back on it, I could see like and I think we talked about this, there were attributes that you have. That when I think back on it and remove all of the other stuff, it was like, like you know, the fact that my wife's curl pattern, um, like all different things about her that I'm like I guess I was always like I could see myself being with, but didn't really think about it because I got so convoluted by a worldview of, like different things that I could not recognize that you know you are were. I couldn't recognize it until God cleared all of that on me to see that you, there's nothing, no one else that would be better or more perfect than you are. So it's a beauty when you you see in your wife everything that you could ever imagine and more um within that person. And knowing that I enjoyed and there were things that he did that I wasn't comfortable with that.
Speaker 2:I should have been enjoying, like, the way he treated me, the way he talked to me, the things that he did for me. I wasn't able to receive it. I felt like I was being smothered because I just was not used to it. I was very, you know much, independent, I guess, or neglected for the majority of my life, and so there were a lot of things that he was doing and I was like this is too much, I don't like it. But I didn't know that I needed it, and so in, and God calls us to intimacy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's what God separated us for and brought us back together, so that we could recognize what it is that we really needed, which was intimacy.
Speaker 1:And what we were experiencing without even realizing it in the beginning, because the reason that my wife's outward appearance didn't catch my attention and I said it was something inside her, it was God showing me that this was intimacy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Bible says that when God sent Samuel to locate the next king, he led him to David, and at first Samuel was seeing the other people.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:God was like yeah, his brothers. He was like, surely they're king. And God is like you judge by the outward appearance, but I'll judge by the heart. That being intimacy, God looks at the heart. So it was your heart, or what was within you, your subconscious, your spirit, that was actually drawing me to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why it was so confusing and we butted heads a lot in the beginning, because, while we didn't know what intimacy looked like, intimacy was selfish. It was give and take, it was give and take. And so now we're at this space where you're giving and I'm able now to receive, and it's just something that just breaks. It just breaks in me. Have my husband do things for me that I didn't even know I needed. Like I would just be folding clothes and he would just come give me a hug and I would just start sobbing. I'm like why, what is going on? And I was like and then God's just like you needed a hug. And I'm like I did. I really needed this hug. I didn't even know I needed it, but I needed it.
Speaker 2:And I would just start crying and I literally I was just folding clothes and literally nothing had had happened. I was just it was normal, but he would just come give me a hug and I would just start crying. He would. He didn't even know why I was crying, but I mean, he knew, but he didn't know, and I knew, but I didn't know. That is, that's what I needed, and so I'm just so grateful that God brought us together, to be honest, because I did not know what I needed. My husband is everything that I could ever he's. He's nothing I could have imagined. He's much more than I could have imagined and I can't. I can't fathom being with anyone else Like he literally fits me to a T. He finishes my thoughts, he knows my emotions, he knows my facial expressions, even though sometimes he get on my nerves and I get on his nerves. But it's all good because we have the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, he would convict us. He convict both of us all the time, and I mean that's just the reality of what it is, cause it's the same for my wife she's, or what it is because it's the same for my wife she's. Everything, um, god is good and god will literally put you in a situation where he have you with who he's called you to be with and literally they will have everything that you need. Um, there are things about my wife, uh, to where we are actually a team, and there's things I don't do well that she does well.
Speaker 1:There's things she don't do well that I do well, and then it's just. It's a beautiful thing because we both have the Holy Spirit and one of the things that God always dealt with me and what I've learned to do I trust the Holy Spirit within my wife and I would always tell her don't trust me. Trust the Holy Spirit inside me and the Holy Spirit within my wife, and I would always tell her don't trust me, trust the Holy Spirit inside me, yeah, and the Holy Spirit has never failed us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He has not never failed us. So you know a lot of the things that God dealt with me on is going to be controversial. My wife knows the password to my phone. My wife knows the password to my MacBook Pro. My wife knows the password to my iPad Pro. My wife knows the password to my iPad. She can grab it at any given time and do whatever. I don't. I leave my phone around her. I leave my iPad around her. I leave my MacBook around her. All of this stuff. She knows who.
Speaker 2:I'm on the phone with and vice versa.
Speaker 1:You know, these are the things that God dealt with me on. He told me that there's no privacy in marriage.
Speaker 2:No, literally, there's no privacy. We don't have any secrets. No, there's no secrets, even down to dreams. If I have a dream that's uncomfortable, I tell them.
Speaker 1:And vice versa, and vice versa. And it's not always easy to have those conversations, so we got to pray and ask God help us.
Speaker 2:Because, but the thing is is we were living in a world outside of God's will prior to us coming together, and that is one of the hardest things to do is to have to face your past with your partner, decisions that you made without your partner Now your partner has to deal with the consequences of those decisions that you made. But God has given us grace to go through that, because we were supposed to be together.
Speaker 1:Which is why we tell you all that don't get into a relationship without God, because you don't want to make decisions. I've made decisions, my wife made decisions and we have to deal with those said decisions that we've made and ask God to give us grace to walk through those decisions together.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so there are consequences that's connected to that, but God has been good, and so this is all to say that a lot of things that you're taught in the world is not God. No, I'm sorry a lot of things that you're taught in the world. Is not God? No, I'm sorry, because we have children. It's not God for you to be having these weird type of relationships with your exes. Matter of fact, it's a reminder of disobedience to God. God has not called you to be best friends with your ex. No.
Speaker 1:Both male and female, and if you're doing that, that is not of God.
Speaker 2:I know it's not of God because he let me know it's not of him.
Speaker 1:It is a distraction. It is something that the enemy can use to turn you away doorway. It's an open doorway.
Speaker 1:You have to close everything to your past in order that it does not negatively impact your future yeah and let's just be honest, both men and women be out here having inappropriate relationships with your exes because you have a child with them and you try to get married and you try to get your wife or your husband to accept your inappropriate relationship. Men, we mainly, some women too. It's not of God for you, your wife, not to know your password to your phone. She should have access to everything that is a part of you because you are now one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then same goes for bank accounts. Everything, finances, everything. Everything, you are united as one. There are no secrets.
Speaker 1:If she's not working and you're the only one working, it's not your finances, it's y'all finances. If you're working now, ladies, and he's working, it's not your finances and his finances, it's you all's finances. You bring it together, you pool it together and what's saying is because the issue and the reason why it's a struggle, because there's things that I did naturally for struggle, because there's things that I did naturally for Shania that I did not understand going to the grocery store, doing all of these different things running errands because I was firmly on like I ain't spending no money for nobody.
Speaker 1:That ain't my wife. I was firm on that when we first came together, but I could not help but do it. There are things that I did for her even when we weren't married, and still do, but I did for her that I didn't even do in previous relationships and in the previous marriage. Mm-hmm. But it was something that I just did naturally for her, because she was who I was called to be with. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So when you're in a situation where you're with that person, god has called you to be with, it comes natural. It comes natural for you to sow into her life. It comes natural and God will tell you buy her flowers, do this, do this she wants, do this. Do all of these things Because when you yield to the Holy Spirit, the Bible says that the Holy Spirit will lead every part of your life, and he's led every part of our lives, and I know that God is in what we're saying, because my hands are burning up and so prayerfully, this is for someone. My hands are on fire right now.
Speaker 1:But in this being the case, it's really important that we yield to the Holy Spirit. We are where we are because of the Holy Spirit. Yes, ladies, it's not your responsibility. Let me say this again, and my wife can attest to it you can't be Christ for him in your marriage, our relationship, matter of fact. If you're not married yet and you are already taken on the role of Christ, even if you firmly believe God has called you to be with this man, you might want to take a break because you are going to set yourself up to, you're going to set yourself up for failure yeah, because you can't lead in the relationship, because what god called you do is out of order.
Speaker 1:It's literally out of order it's going to stress you out. There's so many. There's mothers of ours, there's grandmothers of ours, there's aunties of ours that's lost their lives, who's praying consistently. They're going to get beat up, and it's as simple as this.
Speaker 2:Without a covering.
Speaker 1:If you have Christ and he has Christ, my question to you is why are you still operating under the curse of Genesis 3? But it's stated that you all will be going head to head for the role of leadership within your marriages and relationships.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When we are supposed to be operating from the perspective of what took place before the fall of man, after accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior, which means now we operate together as a union. Yes, I am the head in our household, yet that doesn't change the fact that we are together. My wife is right next to me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:We make decisions me, right. We make decisions together. Right, we both are. We've both been called under the new covenant to rule and have dominion. Not I've been called to rule and have dominion and rule her and have dominion over her. No, we've been called to rule and have dominion together. I've heard someone say this, and it's very true. It's a triangle, so my wife is on one side, I'm on the other side and God is at the top. Right Jesus is at the top.
Speaker 2:He's the head.
Speaker 1:Jesus is the head, so we are both on even playing fields Now from the perspective of the role. Spiritually, yes, God spoke to Adam first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of the role spiritually.
Speaker 1:Yes, god spoke to Adam first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he gave the command to Adam. He told Adam that. He told him don't eat from the tree. Adam was supposed to relay that to Eve, but when God spoke, god said that he made man and woman and he wanted them to have dominion and he wanted them to rule and he wanted them to be fruitful and multiply. And we see the example of Christ and we said this in the previous episode and one of the things that I am constantly called to do with my wife is to submit to her and to become a master servant to her, to her and to become a master servant to her. That's just the reality of what it is. That's what I've been called to be to her.
Speaker 2:And I'm supposed to submit to your leadership, as long as you being led by Christ. Just make that clear.
Speaker 1:Don't let your husband lead you to hell. Right. Don't let your wife lead you to hell.
Speaker 2:Right, don't let your wife lead you.
Speaker 1:Don't let your wife lead you Women. We shouldn't be trying to lead men. That's why you shouldn't get in a relationship with a man that God hasn't called you to be with, and I know it's not easy.
Speaker 2:Right. And if you know that this man is your husband and he does not have a relationship with God and he does not hear God, then you should leave him alone and let God work on him so that he can lead you. So we've been talking for some time we're not saying you can't pray, but we're saying to ask god, be led by god to lead you in what prayers to pray be led by god.
Speaker 1:That's all we're saying in everything you do be led by god. We are here because we're left. We were led by god right.
Speaker 2:We are here because we were obedient to god yeah, we didn't create this channel because we wanted to talk about our business and no, we didn't want to create it but we we did want to create this channel in a way that would make things easier for people who are not in relationships to choose the right relationships, Because we know that if there was a podcast like ours, we wouldn't have made the decision. We wouldn't have never made the decision that we made.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so prayerfully. This has been a blessing. We're going to get ready to go. We ran over some.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We pray this has been a blessing to you all. And, babe, you want to end this out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just thank you guys for listening. We thank you for subscribing. We thank you for subscribing, we thank you for following, we thank you for all your comments and you guys please write your experiences in the comments. We love to see everyone's experiences what you're going through, how this is blessing you, any questions or concerns that you guys may have, things that other people aren't talking about that you think that we may have some wisdom on when it comes to relationships, because god literally gave us revelation on relationships. He literally that's it. He literally did. That's what we're called to, this is what we do, and so, yeah, um, we appreciate you guys we do and we pray that this has been a blessing and we will see you next week all right, bye-bye all right bye.