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No Longer Bound
What does it truly mean to be free from sin? Not just managing it, not just struggling against it, but genuinely free? In this deeply reflective episode, Walter and Shanea confront a paradox many believers face: calling Christ "Lord" while remaining enslaved to sinful patterns.
Drawing from Romans 7 and 8, they explore how many Christians live as if they're still bound, unaware that Christ has already provided the key to freedom. The conversation dives into the profound difference between religion and relationship, where religion focuses on external behaviors, believing outward actions change who we are inwardly, while relationship with God works from the inside out, transforming desires, which naturally results in changed behavior.
"We confuse struggling with sin as a form of godly suffering," Walter notes, "but true evidence of God's power is freedom from sin." This statement challenges the common misconception that constant battle with temptation is the normal Christian experience, when Scripture promises transformation through the Holy Spirit's power.
The hosts tackle how our preferences and "types" are often shaped by worldly experiences rather than God's design. They invite listeners to surrender these preferences, asking, "God, what do you want for me?" instead of imposing our limited vision on God's perfect plan. This surrender becomes the pathway to experiencing authentic freedom, where we're no longer driven by fleshly desires but guided by the Spirit.
Are you living as if you're still in chains when Christ has already set you free? This episode will help you identify areas where you might still be walking in the flesh rather than the Spirit, and equip you with practical insights to embrace the freedom Christ died to give you. Join Walter and Shania as they share vulnerably from their transformation journey and invite you to experience true freedom in Christ.
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Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where, together, we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact the relationship you have with others. I'm your host, walter. I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife. Shanea. This is episode 27. Yep. One more episode to go before this season is over. Yep, one more episode to go before this season is over, and we just want to remind everyone that we are going to be on a three-month hiatus, right, hiatus hiatus, hiatus a three-month hiatus as we just really press into some of the things that God has us doing.
WALTER:But a shameless plug to the ladies for my wife. She has officially started her channel. She released her first video last week. It's under her name, shania Nesbitt. I'm sure she would try to link it to this channel, so definitely go there and check it out. I believe she will be posting at least twice a week, so hopefully that keep you all going until we start with season two in three months after the next episode, that we're dropping next week's episode.
WALTER:Yeah, so this has been a journey, an amazing journey. It is only by the grace of God.
SHANEA:Absolutely.
WALTER:That we have gotten to 27 episodes.
SHANEA:If you guys knew the journey.
WALTER:It has been real and one day we will be able to share some of the things that the enemy has tried to throw at us to keep us from going week to week to get these episodes out. But God has been good and God has kept us.
SHANEA:Yes, he has.
WALTER:So I guess we can get started. I prayed last week.
SHANEA:Did you?
WALTER:I did. Okay, it's your turn.
SHANEA:All right, father God, we come in the name of Jesus Christ, asking for your love, your grace and your mercy, thanking you for everything that you're doing and everything that you're about to do. I ask, father God, that you will open up our listeners' ears and eyes to hear and see what it is that you are saying, provide them with revelation beyond their own understanding, father god, and we bind up every religious spirit in the name of jesus christ. I ask, father god, that you will open up their hearts to receive your word in the mighty name of Jesus, amen.
WALTER:Amen. You talk about my prayers being long.
SHANEA:That wasn't that long, come on.
WALTER:Okay, let's stop, just in case people think we're arguing or they don't get in their feelings. Hi, baby.
SHANEA:How are you doing today?
WALTER:I'm doing. Great babe, how are you? I'm doing.
SHANEA:We're not doing this, I'm doing good, I'm doing great, babe. How are you? I'm doing? We're not doing this, I'm doing good Because we just had a whole conversation.
WALTER:I woke up next to you this morning. Yeah. We've been through the entire day.
SHANEA:You know how I'm feeling today.
WALTER:I do.
SHANEA:You know exactly how I feel.
WALTER:You know exactly how I feel today. Everyone, we cannot be fake. We're not even going to try. We have fun in our marriage, we have fun in our relationship, and some people don't understand that.
SHANEA:And you guys are like family, so we're not going, we're not here like hey babe how are you today? Hey, everyone, welcome to the podcast.
WALTER:No.
SHANEA:We're like, hey, come sit down.
WALTER:Have a seat. It is what it is, so why do light always be glistening on you like that?
SHANEA:I don't know.
WALTER:You like it on me, like this you do look nice, thank you. You do look nice, so let's not get sidetracked, let's get started. What is the title for this week's episode?
SHANEA:This week's episode title is called no Longer Bound.
WALTER:Okay.
SHANEA:What is it called? Something else.
WALTER:No, it's called that. It was just you was just dramatic with it. Oh, just a little extra oomph no Longer Bound. It was just, you was just dramatic with it. Oh, just a little extra oomph no longer bound. That was given to you, right.
SHANEA:No, it was given to you.
WALTER:Was it? Was it given to me? It was given to you.
SHANEA:Oh yeah.
WALTER:Romans 7. It was Wait, no, the title was given to you.
SHANEA:I got Romans 7. Okay it was wait. No title was given to you, I got roman seven, okay, and then I was like this is what we're supposed to be talking about. And then, as I said, that, you got a song in yet.
WALTER:Oh yeah, the song title. Do we have that here and maybe we can try?
SHANEA:we'll try to um pin that I thought you put it on here. It's not on here. No, it's an actual notes.
WALTER:So the name of the song about here. It's not on here, no, it's in the actual notes, so the name of the song about to it's uh, yeah, it's. It's a song from um everyone and we'll try to put it on the video at the end. It's uh by lamb culture and uh jengi I don't want to mess up her name it's j n j e n g e and it's called no longer slaves all right, we'll put a link in the bio and uh put it at the end of the video.
WALTER:Yeah, we'll link it, but as my wife. After we read that, that song came to my mind like it came to me that it was a particular part when she talked about no longer being bound, because I'm like we were trying to figure out, like why we were given roman seven and that song came to mind well, I think one of the actual titles in that chapter in roman seven is no longer bound or not being no longer being a slave to sin yeah, so where do we begin?
WALTER:I don't know, babe, you start off well, this is what came okay many believers still live as if they're bound, not realizing Christ has already provided the key to freedom. And that was put in because of how Romans 7 ends out. Right, the entire chapter, and I don't know if we should read it, and maybe, if you want to read parts of it, things that stands out to you, you can. However, paul ended Romans 7 stating let me see, he said and I go to verse 18 to 25. And I know that and I'm reading the NLT.
WALTER:Paul said, and I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sin. For nature, I want to do what is right, but I can't. I want to do what is good, but I don't. I don't want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. But if I do what I don't want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong. It is sin living in me that does it.
WALTER:I have discovered this principle of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. I love God's law with all my heart, but there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to sin that is still within me. Oh, what a miserable person I am. Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? Thank God, the answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. So you see how it is In my mind. I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin. And then from there we go into Romans 8. And he digs into some key scriptures that we'll get into. But what really stood out to me is that and it's so true many believers still live as if they're bound, not realizing Christ has already provided the key to freedom. And so what is really just and I have here next, we confuse struggling with sin as a form of godly suffering, but true evidence of God's power is freedom from sin.
SHANEA:Right. It's free, no longer bound Right, no longer bound to sin. But people have to understand what the definition of sin is. What's sin?
WALTER:What is sin?
SHANEA:Rebellion.
WALTER:Disobedience.
SHANEA:Disobedience to God.
WALTER:To God's original plan.
SHANEA:For your life. Everybody's sin can be different, but then you have your principles.
WALTER:There's key principle sins, but then there's also things that God may have. You not do that. If you do what he told you not to do, you're operating in disobedience. Or if he tells you to do something and you don't do it, you're operating in disobedience. Or, as we've learned, even if you partially do it, it's still disobedience. Right. Which is sin. Right. But Paul was saying that you're free from that. Right.
WALTER:Paul was admitting to the fact that, yes, sin lives within us. We have become slaves to sin. What can free us from this sin? Because I don't even want to do this. I want to do what's right. There's many of you out there and we've been there. You want to do what's right and you're like I want to do what's right, but I don't know how. Yeah, and Paul was like the answer to that is Christ.
SHANEA:It's literally the power of Jesus Christ, it's not your own self-righteousness, it's not you trying to do it in your own strength, because you will fail every single time. And I was looking at a video yesterday or a couple of days ago and I know one of the podcasters Christian podcasters was talking about lust and how, basically, you can't control it. As a man Like you don't have like no power to control yourself from looking at women, and you know so they don't know about romans.
WALTER:8 huh, matter of fact, and we'll.
SHANEA:I'll just say this, but we'll continue but that is something that people would see, as you know, suffering or like. It's not something that I can. I can help.
WALTER:Romans 8 and 5 says those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. So letting your sinful nature control you, your mind, leads to death, but letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. Yeah. Then he digs further in.
SHANEA:No, oh, go ahead babe.
WALTER:No, go ahead, I'm listening.
SHANEA:Oh no, I think the thing is is that we don't a lot of well, we do, but a lot of people don't submit their thoughts to God. And that's what's getting you in trouble, because when you're submitting these thoughts, you're like okay, god, is this from you, is this not from you? If it's not from you, I'm gonna have to reject it. And then the power comes in right.
WALTER:So the scripture talks about what holding those thoughts captive, right? Um, but go ahead. I'm listening, I'm looking for that scripture no, no, it's the.
SHANEA:The lord has literally, literally given us power and authority over all the plans of the enemy, which is that includes our thoughts. So you have power to stop the thoughts.
WALTER:You just have to continue to keep doing it yeah, that's second corinthians, 10 verse uh, four through five and I'm gonna find it in the new king change origin, but continue.
SHANEA:I'm putting that scripture right now yeah, but what I'm saying is it's still. It's not through your own strength. It's like oh well, I'm not, I'm just not gonna look, but you're still going to you. Still, even if you don't look, you're gonna think about it in your head. You're gonna going to you still. Even if you don't look, you're going to think about it in your head. You're going to have an image or something you know.
WALTER:Because this is for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, Strongholds being those thoughts casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought.
SHANEA:Right, every thought. Every thought Every single thought you have.
WALTER:It's a stronghold, though, like the enemy places a stronghold on that. That's why Paul was saying it's not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds. This is something that you have to do by way of the power of the spirit of God.
SHANEA:And you have to recognize when it's God's voice or not. And many times, when you have a thought that starts with I, that's not God. Because, God is speaking to you directly, so why would he address you? As I Think about it, think about it.
WALTER:This points to what you said, because it ends out verse eight. It says for pulling down, is this verse eight? Let me make sure I'm not incorrect. No, this is actually all the same verse, but it's saying um wait, is this? This is verse uh, seven. It started verse seven. I'm looking, because I see five, but I don't see seven. Anyhow, though, we'll start from verse three again. It says that, for though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
WALTER:That's first For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God, for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity. This is key to the obedience of Christ and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. The thing is that we miracles are amazing, right, it's amazing to see someone who could not walk, walk, yeah. It is amazing to see the blind healed.
WALTER:Right. It is amazing to see the captives set free. It is amazing to see the supernatural workings of God. It is amazing to speak prophecy and see that prophecy come to pass. It is amazing to go beyond, go and experience someone speaking into your life things that they should not know and then telling you that God has a greater plan for your life.
WALTER:Yet I believe that the greatest thing and we've touched on this in a few episodes I believe that the greatest thing and we've touched on this in a few episodes the greatest thing that we all forget about, that we don't touch on, that's not popular because it's not glamorous, it's not all of these things produces a changed life. That produces a change in your character. That produces a changed person that no longer do the things they used to do, that no longer have the struggles that they used to have, that no longer men no longer lust after women. That you can say and I can say to other men you can be free from that, you can be free from it, you don't have to lust, you can be free from that.
WALTER:You don't have to lust. You can be free from that. You don't have to be in bondage Women. You don't have to be in bondage to lusting after men.
SHANEA:No, because your R should only be for your wife.
WALTER:Yes, and your husband. So there you have it. That's that we're going to get back going, mm, hmm, so living by the spirit allows us to be guided by god's internal law written on our hearts, not the external law that brings death right. And this is where is that scripture at when it touches on the law being written on our hearts. We'll get into that later. There is a scripture for that. I believe it's somewhere here yeah. Well then, actually roman seven yeah roman 76 you want to read that babe?
SHANEA:hold on. Let me read the nlt version, because I don't know what version it is. Roman seven verse six.
WALTER:That's not what I'm looking for, but you can read it.
SHANEA:Okay, I know what you're looking for.
WALTER:Corinthians. I believe Paul talked about it in Corinthians.
SHANEA:But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it, and no longer captive to its power.
WALTER:That's Romans 2, 14-15?.
SHANEA:No, it's Romans 7, 6. Go to Romans 2, 14-15.
WALTER:That's romans 7, 6 go to romans 2, 14 through 15. That's what I'm looking for romans 2 yeah, chapter 2, verse 14 and 15 romans 2, verse 14 and 15. And 15.
SHANEA:Even Gentiles who do not have God's written law show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it even without having heard it.
WALTER:Exactly.
SHANEA:These are for people who these were not Jews.
WALTER:No.
SHANEA:These were Gentiles.
WALTER:They didn't know God, didn't know the law, they didn't know Jesus by way by power of the Holy Spirit, the law became written on their heart, and what that means is that subconsciously, they automatically, by way of the Holy Spirit, know I can't do this, I can't do that, I can't be here with this person, I can't be here with that person. So this is once again seeing the power of God at work in people's lives. One of the greatest examples, one of the greatest displays of the power of God in someone's life once again, is a changed character.
SHANEA:Right. And the thing is, when you read a little bit further, 16 says and this is the message I proclaim that the day is coming when God, through Jesus Christ, will judge everyone's secret life. So it's your thoughts, it's your conscience, it's everything that you do that other people don't see. Are you lying? Are you cheating? Are you stealing? Are you quarreling? Are you out at the club getting drunk? Yeah. Two sins in one Drunk and wild parties. Wild parties and drunkenness.
WALTER:I wanted to say something, but I can't. Okay. I was told not to. I was going to get into the characteristics of God.
SHANEA:Oh, okay.
WALTER:The conversation I had with Rich when I posed the question. Oh, got the conversation I have with Rich when I pose the question.
SHANEA:Oh gotcha, you know what I'm talking about. Kind of sort of not really when.
WALTER:I asked him when he asked me you said you can't talk about it. I'm not going to say what God told me, oh okay. But when he asked me, he said what is the definition of joy and is it an emotion? But I can't get into that. Oh, now you know what I'm talking about?
SHANEA:Oh, I don't remember you guys having that conversation, but I remember us having that conversation when I first got converted.
WALTER:Yeah, because I had talked to him about it. That's what posed it? Because I posed the question to the Holy Spirit, but he won't let me release it. Probably I don't know why, but okay, okay To be continued, but moving on. Mm-hmm. So questions that we can ask right, and this is in general, are you living as if you're still in chains when Christ has already set you free? You're still in chains when Christ has already set you free, and do you?
SHANEA:see the evidence of spirit-led freedom in your daily decisions and desires, and have you I'm sorry, have you partnered with a lie about yourself or about others, or about the things that you're going through? That's saying that you have to stay here. You can't get rid of this. This is something that God just doesn't want to deliver you from. This is your, this is part of your suffering, but if this suffering is, as a is a result of you being disobedient, that's not god. You're just reaping the consequences and you have to ask god for grace to walk through to walk through it and heal you from it.
SHANEA:you, it's not something you have to deal with forever. No, it's a season, and don't give me this.
WALTER:Paul had a thorn in his side. You get that. They misconstrued what that thorn was.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:That thorn wasn't.
SHANEA:Paul struggling with lust. No, it wasn't.
WALTER:That thorn was people. It wasn't struggling with mental disorders.
SHANEA:That thorn that Paul had in his side, it wasn't struggling with physical ailments, with mental disorders. That thorn that Paul had in his side it was people being used by the enemy.
WALTER:Yes, because he was the one God called him to be the young girl that was pestering Paul, that he had to cast a demon out of. That was a thorn in his flesh.
SHANEA:That's an example of having a thorn in your flesh and Paul had a heightened level of spiritual discernment.
WALTER:Yes.
SHANEA:And so that that was a thorn in his flesh. It says it right there in the Bible, but people use the use verses out of context all the time.
WALTER:So I think this and I'll let you read on this, cause I know my wife was going through this and she was breaking things down as the Holy Spirit was leading her. So we have this part with the law. Couldn't do so with that. Do you want to touch on that?
SHANEA:Okay, I'm going to try you guys because I'm struggling over here.
WALTER:Tired.
SHANEA:I am tired, it's been a long day. It has. It's been a long day.
WALTER:But God is good.
SHANEA:God is good. God is good all the time and all the time.
WALTER:Even when the enemy tried to come for you, he fell.
SHANEA:He sure does, and we just laugh in his face like ha ha, ha Right. Yeah. Okay, so what the law couldn't do? Trying to follow the law without the Holy Spirit only leads to frustration and spiritual death.
WALTER:I'll talk to all about that.
SHANEA:Which is what I was saying earlier, and spiritual death. I'll talk to all about that, which is what I was saying earlier. You're going to fail if you try and keep this law without the Holy Spirit. What he said the letter killeth, the letter killeth. That's why Jesus was sent to us, because he fulfilled what the law couldn't do.
WALTER:Everyone tried and they always failed. Exactly there wasn't enough animals to sacrifice to atone for your sins. So jesus came becoming the ultimate sacrifice. Because it was impossible? Because we are born into this sinful nature, this sinful body. Our flesh is just, it wants to do what it wants to do right, it does so romans 7 I don't know we're going to go through reading everything for romans 7, 7 through 13 I guess I don't have to read the whole thing, but what do I have here?
WALTER:The law is holy, but it exposes sin, making us aware of what's wrong without giving us the power to overcome it. You can't overcome sin by way of the law. It's only by grace, it's only by the power of the spirit.
SHANEA:Right, and so I'm trying to go back over my notes or my revelations that I have right. So when you accept the holy spirit, your desire to sin dissipates, you no longer have those fleshly desires or operate in those areas that you are once sinning in. The law just exposes the sin. It's like you, you, we can't live in a world without laws. God can't be righteous. He can't be a judge if there's nothing to judge. Satan can't accuse you of anything if there was no rules or regulations in place. Yeah.
SHANEA:There would be no sin.
WALTER:Well, sin still existed, it was just nothing to measure it by.
SHANEA:Right, that's what I'm saying. Sin wouldn't exist, yeah, it wouldn't exist if there were no rules, if there were no laws.
WALTER:And that's what Paul was saying. Paul was saying that sin didn't exist, but it did. You still sin, but law brought forth regulations and the enemy started using that sin or that law to still even further hold you in bondage, because man was sinning and thinking of evil ways to do stuff, even before Moses came and brought those things into place. It was just a moralist society. But it was like I'm saying like it was a moralist society because it was something that God designed men to be like they were prior to adam and eve falling right, but the thing was prior to moses, right.
SHANEA:They were doing whatever they wanted to do because there were no laws or anything in place and god didn't like it. It was like nah.
WALTER:Because they would think of wicked ways?
SHANEA:Why did I even create them and then? So now I got to give you, now I got to set rules for you.
WALTER:And you still didn't keep them.
SHANEA:Why haven't you kept my commands? So now you have Satan going around, finding someone that he can devour, going around finding someone that he can devour all because hey look, god, they're. They're being disobedient. They know you said this and they're doing this, so I have the right to torment them. Yeah, yeah. I have the right to do whatever I want to do, because now you created a law, you created a rule, you created a command. And what is my position?
WALTER:to rebel so I'm gonna get them to rebel too exactly, yeah, exactly so the law gave the enemy legal grounds to torment humanity with guilt, shame and spiritual death, and it all started with eve and adam, that was the first command do not eat from this tree and they disobeyed. And once again, that's why you take into the fact of saying, uh true, sin is disobedience to god, whatever that may be it doesn't matter how you feel.
SHANEA:Oh, god knows my heart, he knows your heart. All right, your heart is like I want to do this, even though I know it's wrong. That's your heart. Your heart is not. God knows my heart. I really want to obey his word, but I really want to be here, even though I know I'm not supposed to. No, that's not your heart. Your heart is saying I don't care about what your command is. I want to go and do this because I want to do it. Just be honest with yourself.
WALTER:And God knows when she and we've touched on this in the previous episode when my wife is referring to your heart, she's referring to your subconscious.
SHANEA:Yes, your heart. In the Bible in Hebrew it's referring to your subconscious. Yes, your heart. In the bible in hebrew it's referred to as mind. They didn't have a word for it back then. It's your mind. Your heart obviously doesn't have a conscious no, it doesn't have a subconscious muscle. It doesn't dream, it doesn't do anything but pump blood that's good stuff.
WALTER:That's good stuff. So where do we go from here?
SHANEA:um, I think we kind of touched on romans 7, 9 through 10. Self-reliance leads to death. The law, though, intended to bring life, brings condonation when lived out, apart from the spirit, because you can't keep these laws without the spirit.
WALTER:And so, a lot of times, everyone, especially in the church, what we see on display, whether it be through many of the pastors and the leaders, or even many of the people that go to church people have a heavy religious spirit. They practice religion, and the law is religion, and so our religion is essentially trying to keep the law apart from the power of the Spirit of God. Right. So they believe that the law keeping the law makes them righteous.
SHANEA:And that's their suffering.
WALTER:Exactly, but what Paul was teaching is that it is through relationship with Jesus Christ and the Father, by way of Jesus Christ, that you're actually made righteous. But we still do the same thing. The end result is still the same, and I think we touched on this in the previous episode. The difference is religion versus relationship. We touched on this in the previous episode the difference is religion versus relationship.
WALTER:Religion tells you what you do outwardly changes you who you are inwardly, or, matter of fact, they don't even focus on the inwardly. Religion tells you that what you do outwardly draws you closer to God. Relationship tells you it is through the work that takes place inwardly that impacts what you do outwardly, which draws you closer to God. Relationship tells you it is through the work that takes place inwardly, that impacts what you do outwardly, which draws you closer to God. If that makes sense, does that make?
SHANEA:sense, kind of give an example.
WALTER:So um.
SHANEA:I mean, I understand what you're saying, but it could be a little lost in translation. So, relationship relationship is.
WALTER:I do this because I love you. We're doing the same things. We're praying, we're reading our word, we're seeking the father's face. But change when you do, when you do a religion versus relationship. Religion thinks change comes by way of what you do on the outside that impacts inside the inside of you yeah relationship lets us know that what we do on the outside impacts what we do on the end. I mean what we do on the inside impacts what we do on the outside right so I use this um analogy before two.
WALTER:Two husbands buy flowers for their wives. One buy flowers because it's what he's supposed to do. The other buys flowers because he loves her.
SHANEA:But you have to have a level of discernment to understand why he bought the flowers. Because you could just look at both of them and you could say that they both bought flowers. But one bought flowers because he loves his wife. The other bought flowers because that's just something he's supposed to do and he wants everybody to see that's what he did.
WALTER:So religion is of course, buying the flowers. Because he wanted everybody to see, he bought the flowers. Right. The relationship is I bought the flowers. No one has to know it.
SHANEA:Right. So like the person who bought the flowers just for everyone to see is like this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm just going to do it. It's not the same thing.
WALTER:And it makes them feel good about themselves to say I did this, I, I, I. Religion is heavily I based. Relationship is god based. So if you hear people testimonies, for example, with me I didn't do nothing other than just yield to the Holy Spirit. Right.
WALTER:I. The things that I was set free from is not by my own strength, is by his Right. The only thing I did is submit to what he told me to do, but the desires being removed was him doing it. It was by way of the power of God, the power of Jesus Christ. I can't take credit for any of it.
SHANEA:Right, and so that's very key. When you're listening to sermons, when you're listening to people, you have to to listen, for the like I said, the I, that's not God.
WALTER:And then also, and hopefully, either someone. At some point I'll be able to talk about it or I guess whenever I'm released to write the book, it'll be in there. That's when you dig into the characteristics of God.
WALTER:Right, right, you dig into the DNA of God, the spirit of God, and so when you're walking around, you should be a carbon copy of the Father. Jesus said and he said it so many times in the scriptures in Matthew, luke, john, mark. He said that so many times when you see me, you see the father right. When you see me, you see the father, he said. He was essentially saying that I've literally become a reflection of the father. And then he also said in the scripture and I think I have it somewhere in here he said you belong to me and I belong to the father Right. So the Bible tells us to take on the identity of Christ and the mind of Christ, so we should become a reflection of who he is.
SHANEA:Right. So if Christ is in me, I am in Christ. That means I should be a reflection, an image of God.
WALTER:Exactly my life, everything I do, how I respond If I am submitted to the holy spirit, even when you want to go off on people and we do have our moments and we do have our moments the holy spirit holds us back. Yes, and it's like you. I'll be wanting to give it to them. And the holy spirit is like no, you can't do it like man. I'm over here looking like a complete fool, but okay, holy Spirit.
SHANEA:I'm looking soft.
WALTER:That's the life, so hopefully that made sense. Relationship is what I do on the inside. That brings forth change.
SHANEA:It's my heart posture.
WALTER:Religion feels what I do on the outside is what brings forth change. But the thing that they don't understand is that when you focus on the relationship, it automatically impacts what you do on the outside.
SHANEA:You don't even have to think about it, it just happens.
WALTER:But the most important thing that needs to take place and this is the problem in the church today is too many people are focused on actions yeah, trying to get it right they're not focused on what matters, the most relationship and your character being changed and your subconscious being changed, your mind being renewed, you taking upon the identity of christ. You taking upon the identity of Christ, you're taken upon the characteristics of God.
WALTER:Galatians 5. So let's see where are we? Yeah, okay, Spirit versus flesh, and these are some of the things that was coming to me. Yeah.
WALTER:So there's a daily battle for control of our minds and whether we're following the spirit or whether we're following our flesh. And so I believe Romans 8, 5 through 8. I'd like to read that real quick, because it was good when we were reading it the other night. So, romans, chapter 8, verse 5. And, of course, everyone I am in the NLT version, as always. So verse 5 says those who are dominated and I think I read this earlier right, those who are dominated by the sinful nature, think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death, but letting the Spirit of oh, I was about to say the Spirit of God but letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace, for the sin for nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God's law and it never will. That's why those who are still under the control of their sin for nature can never please God. There is a constant battle within your mind.
SHANEA:The thing is, is that that latter part where it says can never please God? And I believe that is because you aren't asking him, you're not going to him, you think you're doing, you think you're, you're, you're. You're making yourself a God, you're making yourself self-righteous because you're not relying on him to help you keep his commands.
WALTER:Yeah, that's what Paul was saying. Like you, literally you rely on your flesh.
SHANEA:Yeah, you're relying on your flesh, but you don't understand and your flesh is weak.
WALTER:The flesh. It literally opposes God. It's full of sin. It's full of sin. It goes against.
SHANEA:God, your flesh. It literally opposes God. It's full of sin.
WALTER:It's full of sin. It goes against God. Your flesh, it goes against God, Every sin that took place at the garden, it goes against God. And so, and we talk this is something I put here. The war between spirit and flesh began in Eden and it continues to this day. That's something that was coming to me. It continues to this day through the choices that we make. Right, we don't realize that this is something that still is a very much so.
SHANEA:Yeah, you see, you see that as good, and so you go for it. You didn't consult God about it. No. Now you got to deal with the consequences and you're wondering why you're going through stuff. But you have to deal with the consequences and you're wondering why you're going through stuff, but you have to submit. My God, why am I going through this? Is there a door I opened up where I shouldn't have opened up, because I didn't consult you? Why am I going?
SHANEA:through this oh you're right, I was supposed to not do that when you told me not to, but I did it anyway Because I didn't think it was really that big of a deal and that's what I was talking about, and I have this down how much time we have.
WALTER:so I wrote this um, as this is what was coming to me. With Romans 8, verse uh 5 through 8, it says we have to understand that there is a war being waged for control of our mind, and everything we're exposed to on a daily basis or allow ourselves to be exposed to will impact, whether we are led by our sinful nature or our flesh, or about the spirit of God. This war started with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, when both Adam and Eve gave dominion, power and control over to the enemy, choosing to be led by their flesh instead of being led by the spirit of God. It started there, and we don't understand that, and so, still to this day, the enemy has set certain systems in place so that every area or every part of our lives, whether knowingly or unknowingly, we are still being presented the option of choosing to eat from the tree of good and evil or the tree of life. Right, right.
WALTER:That's that Is that true that is, and I don't think we understand. Within every decision that we make on a day-to-day basis, we're still being presented with those options and we forget that the enemy is so cunning and conniving. Absolutely. He's been around since God created time Because we know what and they may not like it. Whatever, god created time for what To sustain this universe.
SHANEA:Contain it.
WALTER:To contain it.
SHANEA:To have order.
WALTER:Because God exists outside of time. He's not confined by the constraints of time. Time, as we know, keeps everything within this universe in place, everything we know. So that's. We have Romans 2, 14 through 15, which really just simply says when we submit to the spirit of God, the law is written on our hearts. We have Joshua 24, 14 that talks about what choose ye this day, who you will serve. That lets us know you're making a decision.
SHANEA:Right, that's submitting your thoughts and every decision to God.
WALTER:You got a choice To be led by God.
SHANEA:You can choose to listen to the thoughts of the enemy or you can choose to listen to God.
WALTER:And he was saying like listen, y'all can choose the other gods if you want, but me and my household we choose to serve the Lord. And then we have, of course we touched on this, I think, earlier 1 Corinthians 3.23, where it talks about how we belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God. Did we read that earlier?
SHANEA:Yeah, we read it and I just want to say if you don't know who you're serving, just go back to Galatians 5.
WALTER:Galatians 5, Romans 1 is a good starting point, so the letters to the church from Paul. It has some really good stuff in it and one of the key things that we have to make sure we're always doing as we're reading is just ask the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit, what does this mean? What is the deeper meaning of this scripture? What is the revelation to this scripture and what does this? What does what else does this tie to? Because many times you have multiple scriptures that tie together. That can only be the revelations that's found within that, uh, many times can only be found by way of the holy spirit right so uh yeah, you have to ask yourself are you feeding the spirit or your flesh?
SHANEA:through media, music, relationships, your habits like? What are you submitting yourself to daily?
WALTER:yeah, you know we have to consistently do uh, take inventory. We have to consistently like look okay, what am I doing?
SHANEA:right, and so what I have here, when we go on to next, is what, what you've been set free from? What have you been set free from? So what was coming to me as I was reading? Um, and I don't even remember what I was reading, I was reading romans, but then what? What came to me? Oh no, it was something that you had had wrote down, it was something that you were doing, and I got this revelation when you were talking. And what I have is that the desires that you have, what you long for, are shaped by your past experiences. Right, and even things that you pray for are shaped by your past experiences and things that you've indulged in. And that's where we get into Galatians 5. Impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition and more these things don't just influence your behavior, they shape your identity yeah and your perspective, even your, even down to your taste or your type.
SHANEA:So you might be praying for a godly spouse, a godly husband or a godly wife based off of these experiences that you've had, but when God sends them, you don't even recognize them. You don't even recognize them, you reject them. You reject them because they don't match your perspective. They don't match your perspective. They don't match your type. They don't match your preference that you developed while living in the flesh.
WALTER:And then when you dig into it, right when we like, delve deeper or dive deeper in right sexual morality. Examples of that sex outside of marriage, adultery, fornication, same-sex relations you have. I think that's there, it's not. Well, yeah, you also have self-gratification in there too, for both women and men. Yes, and we know what we're talking about.
WALTER:Self-gratification is not of God, even when you're trying to use it to abstain from sex that's still not of God, that's still sin and you're still committing acts against yourself and that's still feeding your flesh and that's still going to be negatively impactful, because now you're dealing with the spirit of perversion and there's different levels to the spirit of perversions now.
SHANEA:These are all what we're saying. Here are all doorways that the enemy used to destroy you. He wants you to be rebellious. He wants to destroy you. He wants to steal your time. So he will steal your time with all these things. How much of your time are you giving to these sinful desires? How much of your time?
WALTER:Yeah, so you have impurity, which is watching vulgar content. Re-evaluate the movies you watch. Re-evaluate the shows you watch. Re-evaluate. Are there vulgar shows? Is it vulgar content? Lust for pleasure is pursuing sexual thr thrills even down to the music that you're listening.
WALTER:Let's dig into this. You could be married to the person that god has called you to be married to, and you still could be pursuing sexual thrills. You still could be pursuing lustful pleasures. I'm married to my wife, yet I still could lust after my wife. My wife is married to me, yet she still can lust after me, and and that is not of God- that's not what God designed us to do.
WALTER:No, that is the enemy Idolatry you put in anything above God For those who desire marriage. You got to be careful. Don't idolize marriage. You can put your spouse before God. You can idolize your spouse or the idea of having a spouse. We've talked about this before. Sorcery Babe, you want to get into that?
SHANEA:Oh, sorcery, spells, witchcraft, drug-based spirituality. But spells not even just you're cursing someone, you're speaking down on them. That's witchcraft. That is sorcery, that is witchcraft. You can't talk about people yeah, you can't curse them. I wish them this. I wish this would happen to them. All right, I hope this happened to them that is witchcraft.
WALTER:You gotta be careful and it happens sometimes. Trust me, we've done it.
SHANEA:You have to repent you have to repent you gotta repent, because if you don't close that door and it's cracked open, something is bound to come in exactly, and there are consequences for that people have. Witchcraft isn't just spells and incantations and stuff like witchcraft is literally rebellion rebellion against god. It's control. You're trying to control somebody. If you're trying to manipulate somebody to get them to do something that you want them to do, that you want, that is manipulation, that is a spell, that is control, that's sorcery, that's witchcraft.
WALTER:And we have hostility here, hatefulness, quick tempers. You have no control. Women and men but I know men sometimes you fall into this category. That's not of God. You shouldn't be hateful. The Bible talks about having self-control. The Bible talks about being slow to speak, slow to anger and quick to listen. We have quarreling, which is drama and fights. It's not of God, it's of the enemy. We have jealousy, which is resentment of others. We have outbursts of anger right which is explosive reactions.
SHANEA:That digs into hostility, being quick-tempered and you want to finish the other ones babe yeah, selfish ambition which is using others to gain um dissension, which is stirring conflict, being messy right digging in other people's business.
WALTER:Just mind your business yeah, and let's, let's go ahead and speak on it. A lot of you are watching these channels out here and you got gossip channels. It's in the church now. That's dissension yeah that is not of god yeah let me say this again, and I'm not going to call nobody out, because there's a lot of channels out here. It is not of god, where a majority of your content is you gossiping about other people, even if you may be right about what you are saying.
SHANEA:Yeah, that is gossip yeah, that is not a lot. Of people will say well, it's my job to call out other men and women.
WALTER:Do you personally know them?
SHANEA:And also are they under your leadership.
WALTER:Are they under your leadership? Are they your actual personal brother in the faith? Meaning that? Because if you're doing it the way you're supposed to do it and you want to say what Paul did, these churches was under Paul we're reading letters that Paul wrote to the church about the church that was under Paul's guidance and leadership. Okay, Right. The Bible tells us that if you have an ought against or you have something going on with your brother, if your brother has done something, you go to your brother first.
WALTER:If they don't listen, then you go to the elders in the church, Then after that, if they don't listen, you take it before that church not the entire body or the entire world. So I am so sorry. You need to be real careful when you are listening to people. Listening to people where they're primarily gossiping because you're not going to tell me that that is what God has called them to, because that goes against scripture.
SHANEA:You literally, they literally have to say God told me I needed to send this message.
WALTER:And I'm still going to question it, because God has revealed a bunch of stuff to us about a bunch of people, and even if he did tell you to do it.
Speaker 2:It in love it would be directly to the prophetic message.
SHANEA:It would be about someone that you never met before.
WALTER:You don't even know most but the thing is, I'm sorry he ain't gonna tell you to air their dirty laundry on YouTube. If God has a message, how are you helping them? How are you helping them? How are you showcasing the love of christ by going and attacking people on social media? You are not. You are not.
WALTER:It's a difference between having a conversation with them no, and you can be generalized in your statements without actually calling out someone but the thing is, babe, if, if you take that away, a lot of these channels would go away because they don't have nothing to talk about absolutely don't have nothing to talk about.
SHANEA:What they should be talking about is jesus exactly bringing men because all the other stuff don't matter, oh my gosh and a lot of these channels are majority men yeah, which is crazy. Yeah, we, we, we digress yeah, let's go ahead um division, clicks and favoritism, envy, craving what others have. You don't know how that person got that oh, you don't know what they dealing with. Don't crave it don't crave it and god might have something better for you.
SHANEA:But you over here wanting pennies, exactly when he got millions for you exactly you're looking at relationships.
WALTER:I want that really. They could be going through hell. You don't want that relationship.
SHANEA:We see people like you guys need to maybe probably try and uh, get yourselves together before you start recording I knew you was gonna probably say that I we are fine, but the thing is, people be fake.
WALTER:Yeah, they do.
SHANEA:And they like for people to be fake.
WALTER:Don't Listen. You want what God has for you. No, Because that's the greatest thing that you can have is what God has for you. You want women. You want a man who truly has a heart after God, who desire God more than anything else, who understands that.
SHANEA:But you know what's crazy is, you say I want that relationship over there. And the enemy hears you too, but he knows, god knows, what's going on in that relationship over there. Yeah, yeah, oh, you want a relationship like that. Sure Bet, I'll give you a picture perfect relationship. So you gotta be careful. The behind closed doors, you will get your behind Toe up. Yeah, yeah. Drunkenness, losing control through alcohol and people. Oh well, you know they drink in the Bible. They didn't get drunk.
WALTER:No, and they didn't drink alcohol? I don't think they drank alcohol.
SHANEA:I mean they drank wine. They drank wine and it was fermented. It was fermented.
WALTER:I mean to the point where I mean but some of this alcohol that exists, it's called. It's not even called alcohol, it's called what Spirits.
SHANEA:Spirits, exactly. We're not talking about wine drunkenness. We're talking about you need to pray on that. We don't drink, but those alcohol drinks they call them spirits yeah, they call them spirits. So if you're drinking, spirits.
WALTER:you should stop drinking spirits, and there's a particular alcohol that's made that people don't even realize. I forgot the name of it and we won't call it out.
SHANEA:You can look at some of the origins of these beers and alcohols and it's crazy, they, literally they're putting like I'm telling you you don't know what you'd be drinking they be praying over these herbs and everything that they're putting in these beers and alcoholic drinks you just it was one of them, I think.
WALTER:They have blood in it and everything and people don't even know it. They don't even know and people drinking it and they going crazy I'm talking about, about you got to do your research.
SHANEA:We are in the era of knowledge. You should be able to get data on anything.
WALTER:Play with it if you want.
SHANEA:Wild parties and moral social scenes. You're a Christian, but you are out at the club twerking Stop. You could say oh, god knows me, he knows my heart, my heart, he does you like wild parties?
WALTER:you can't be out here, even in your house.
SHANEA:Twerking to beyonce sorry well, no, you should only be listening to christian.
WALTER:Christian r&b brothers you can't be out here in your car uh bumping kendrick and jay cole and saying that you follow christ when they pushing stuff out.
SHANEA:That goes completely contrary right are you if you're listening to anything that has any of these things, any of these sins, talks?
WALTER:about any of this music does you need to stop?
SHANEA:but that's between you and god it is so you could decide if that's what you want to do or not.
WALTER:Okay.
SHANEA:But then you have to ask yourself are any of these fleshly behaviors still operating in my life? Am I still having issues? But am I listening to people who talk about sex and adultery and fornication? Am I watching it?
WALTER:Which digs into this? Why can't you recognize godly things? So you feel the sin fleshly living warps your desires and make you reject god's blessings absolutely absolutely you pray for god things which is what you was talking about but you reject them because they don't match, yeah, the preferences formed in your flesh.
SHANEA:But people will tell you oh, you know, that's fine, that's normal. Everybody should have their own preference. That's just their preference. Where did your preference come from? When we got together, we had preferences, but we weren't supposed to have them. That's why we had troubles in the beginning. We had to split up and God had to get us together and come back and say you weren't supposed to think like that in the beginning, so you weren't supposed to look at her like that. You weren't supposed to look at him like that.
WALTER:So let's, let's go ahead and get caught up. Let's, let's dig into people types, right, and I think we need to explore this again and you touched on this before, but I really want to drive this home. Your type may be based on worldly tastes, not God's design Right, and many of our types, many people types, is based on your flesh.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:Which is why you, which is why when you speak of your type, your list, you describe, majority of the time, things that makes your flesh feel a certain type of way.
SHANEA:So if you have a type, you got to go back to yourself and say, why do? Why do I want this? Go look at that list. Why do I want these things? If I want these things because they're going to make me feel good about myself, you got to take that back to God because, we're supposed to be doing his will, and he knows best.
WALTER:Because your type should be God. Whatever you have for me is what I desire. Whatever you have for me is what I desire.
SHANEA:Because, like I said, based off of your experiences, based off of the things you have indulged in, based off of your experiences, based off of the things you have indulged in, based off of what you keep putting in front of your eyes, your preferences and your types. They change as you get older. They change Different seasons, they change Different relationships, they change After every relationship, your preferences change. You're like nope, I don't want that one, I don't want that, I don't want to deal with that, I don't want. Nope, he got to be this, this, this and this because I dealt with this, this, this and this.
WALTER:You get into relationships and you have people who are driven by their flesh, and now you get into infidelity. Now you get into all of these different things that you struggle with because you were driven by your flesh on getting with them in the first place. And I always say this for those women out there that think you are extremely attractive and you're going to be able to pull a man based off that. There's always more attractive women out there for men like that, for men who think you have all of this money. There's always another man out there that makes more money than you, and so you can't get caught up in superficial things.
SHANEA:No.
WALTER:You cannot get caught up in superficial things.
SHANEA:No, your identity and expectations must be renewed so that you can match the will of God. Throw all your types and preferences out the window.
WALTER:And say God, I want what you want. Help me, help my heart to desire what you desire. And the first thing that god is looking at, we've seen it. When he spoke to samuel, he is looking at the inside of that person. He said man judge, man judged by the outward appearance, but I judge by the heart, heart being your subconscious. Who are you as an individual? Who are you as a person? Right, what are your characteristics? Are your characteristics a reflection of god? Both parties, women and men. You should want to be with someone that reflects the characteristics of God, the characteristics of Christ.
SHANEA:Right, not. I want a Proverbs 31 woman. I want this and I want that. It's not what. It don't matter what you want. You have to want what God wants for you. And you have to move away from using paganistic ways to determine how you move, and we know that it's hard because we weren't taught this in the beginning. But for those who are young, who are babies in the faith, please stick with God.
WALTER:And even if you're coming across this and you have not been married, you have no excuse now. You have no excuse you have. Please listen to us as we're telling you this, Because we've experienced some things that's been challenging because we had no one to tell us.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:And we are grateful that God met us where we were, pulled us out of the mess of a lifestyle that we were living. Right. And transformed us. And it's still challenging because we still have to go through the process of getting our mind renewed. Right. To learn to totally rely and depend on the Father for everything. And it is not easy.
SHANEA:No, because we're used to being able to do things on our own, our preferences. I like having this amount of money in my bank account. I like dressing like this and I can't.
WALTER:And it's like I think even the other day I told my wife I won't get into the details, but God brought up instances after a dream and I was praying on the interpretation. He brought up instances of me in the past where I did things and wouldn't. I didn't ask him and he was. He was telling me he's like, all of these different things you did, you did these things and you, you didn't consult with me.
SHANEA:And so, um, and we have to repent for it, because a lot of times and I know that you know you may not have been going to church or knowing your scripture and your Bible every day, or praying every day, but God still guides you, he still has his hand on you, he gives you intuition, which is the Holy Spirit saying, hey, this ain't right. I shouldn't do this, but you don't listen because you don't ask.
WALTER:Yeah, and that's what he was dealing with me on, he said. What he gave to me is one of our greatest downfalls as men, men and women is we never ask as we go throughout life, making life altering decisions or extremely impactful decisions. Many of us never truly sit before the Father and ask him a simple question Father, what do you desire, what do you think about this? Is this what you want from me? And for the few that do decide to ask, even fewer are sincere in wanting to receive the answer.
SHANEA:Yeah, because you don't want to sit and wait on it. No. You don't want to sit and wait on the answer, and sometimes he's already giving the answer. That's why you asked the question in the first place and many of us.
WALTER:We want him to answer based off of what we've already decided. We want.
SHANEA:Right, and so it's like I'm trying to go here, but I don't really feel comfortable. So let me ask God, God, should I go here? And I don't hear nothing? It's probably a no.
WALTER:Or just I'm not moving until he speaks.
SHANEA:We have to get back to that Right. It's like I'm not. If I'm uncertain, I'm not going to do it Like I said.
WALTER:it's a no, it's going to be a no until he says yes Until he says yes. So Romans 12 and two. It says this 12 and 2. It says this do not copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. We should not be following along with the customs of this world no so I'm sorry, your type is whatever god has for you exactly.
SHANEA:And so you have what if, like I said, if you have a type, don't even think about it, don't even look up for nobody, until god is like hey, this is the person I have for you.
WALTER:Give it to God. You can literally be in a space where none of that matters, but it's only by way. This comes back to the power of the Holy Spirit. This comes back to Romans 8. We didn't get a chance to read it, but read all of Romans 8. Read all of Romans 7.
SHANEA:Because you're making decisions based off of your past experiences. Your past hurt, and so take all of that to God. God, I want this type of person, but if this is not who you have for me, show me who you have for me. Show me what it is that you want me to have. Yeah.
SHANEA:Because I chose this list and characteristics based off of my experiences that I don't want to happen to me again, so heal me from this, so it doesn't become a preference yeah yeah, so that the person that you have for me doesn't have to deal with me in my heart or I can be able to recognize them through your lens and not mine.
WALTER:Because my lens is tainted and hurt and broken and what my wife is touching on is calling Jesus Lord without obeying him. It's empty loyalty. Luke 6, 46.
SHANEA:Yeah, it's. If you're still engaging in these, these works of the flesh. Right, If you're still engaging or consuming the things that we all we, we all listed in Galatians 5, or we both listed in Galatians 5. Right, If you're consuming content that glorifies them, you're not truly walking in loyalty to. Christ, you're not walking in loyalty.
WALTER:And Luke 6 and 46 is so good. You want to read that.
SHANEA:Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I tell you? Real loyalty means surrendering not just your actions, but your desires. It's letting him redefine what you want and who you are and who you see and I think all of this is good.
WALTER:Um, I'm reading more of this and we'll read it real quick and then we'll try to wrap up okay, babe luke 6, 46,.
WALTER:It says so why do you keep calling me Lord, lord, when you don't do what I say? And then Jesus says I will show you what it's like when someone comes to me, listens to my teaching and then follows it. It is like a person building a house who digs deep and lays the foundation on solid rock. When the floodwaters rise and breaks against the house, it stands firm because it is well built. But anyone who hears and doesn't obey is like a person who builds a house right on the ground without a foundation. When the floods sweep down against the house, it will collapse into a heap of ruins right, and I'm sorry, I kind of went ahead.
SHANEA:but exactly what are you conforming your mind to? What are you conforming your foundation on? Are you is jesus christ your lord lord. Is Jesus Christ your Lord, lord. Why do you call him Lord if you don't keep his commands? Why do you call him Lord if you're not loyal? You loyal to that dude, you loyal to that job, you loyal to everything else Except the Father Except Jesus, jesus yeah.
WALTER:And you, when you do that, your foundation is weak. And please hear us and we're going to get ready to wrap up, but please hear us when we say this the enemy will come and he will test your foundation absolutely he will come and he will test your foundation to get you, try to get you to turn away from the things of God.
SHANEA:If he could find a crack, if he can find a leak, if he could find an opening.
WALTER:He will tear you up.
SHANEA:Yes.
WALTER:With many of the things my wife and I have had to face. It is only and I say this all the time it is only because I've encountered God for myself that I stand firm and I stand committed. If it wasn't for that and that's that firm foundation if it was not for having that firm foundation, I wouldn't be able to do it that's what a firm foundation is.
SHANEA:It's being loyal to your it's, it's. It's confessinging that Jesus Christ is Lord and savior and master, not just with your mouth, but by your actions. Actions speak louder than words. Right, we always say that and it totally applies with Jesus and the father. It completely it, it, it applies.
WALTER:That's true.
SHANEA:Actions speak louder than words, and that's in the spirit too.
WALTER:So how do we wrap this up, babe?
SHANEA:I think we wrap this up by you know, letting everyone know that you don't have to go through the things you're going through.
WALTER:You literally can just rely on the holy spirit to guide you you can ask jesus to help you. Yeah, you're no longer bound to sin. No, when you we have christ, we have jesus christ. You don't have to be bound to sin.
SHANEA:Yeah, like you have your bible and that's cool, but you need the power, and the power only comes with relationship yes, our way of the holy spirit.
WALTER:It doesn't stop at you just accepting jesus as your savior. You actually have to make him lord and seek out a relationship it's not.
SHANEA:oh, I'm a christian, I, I know jesus. Okay, you know Jesus. Yes, that's cool, but do you walk with him?
WALTER:The Bible says draw near to him, draw near to God, and God will draw near to you. So I think, baby, you want to go ahead and end this out. With what. With how you end this out.
SHANEA:Okay.
WALTER:I will say this what?
SHANEA:I was going to ask did you want me to read like what steps that they can take?
WALTER:Yeah, we can.
SHANEA:Okay, oh, you want me to do it.
WALTER:Oh, I mean, it's just for prayer.
SHANEA:You know, yeah, pray that prayer points could be praying for your mind to be renewed and that all spiritual bondages will be broken off yeah, the prayer is asking god to uproot any seeds the enemy planted in you, and that can be from a child, anything you probably was watching on tv. It all influenced your decision and your behaviors. Now, people who you were around if you have a mom and a dad who was an enabler they treated you like a baby. And now you're grown up and you want everybody else to treat you like a baby, that influenced your behavior. Right, those are seeds that need to be uprooted. If they ask god to show you if there's any seeds in you that needs to be uprooted, yeah and to get rid of them.
SHANEA:Sincerely, wholeheartedly, that you want to do his will and it can be a continuous daily thing because we're influenced all the time. The enemy is always around. He's always sending minions to mess with us. Yeah. But he has to find he can't find himself in you to be able to inflict you. This is what Jesus said when he was in the garden of Gethsemane. He said he can't find anything in me. That means the devil couldn't find anything that looks like him in Jesus to attach himself to what you doing over there.
WALTER:Making sure you say that in the Garden of Gethsemane Did he say that?
SHANEA:Is that what he said when he was being tested?
WALTER:I don't think that was the Garden of Gethsemane. Yeah, he said that.
SHANEA:When he said when did he say that? I'm sorry.
WALTER:Let me make sure, because I don't want anybody coming from you.
SHANEA:Okay, don't let anybody come from me then.
WALTER:I got you Go ahead. We're going to get ready to close out. Okay.
SHANEA:Is that not when he said it?
WALTER:I'm making sure.
SHANEA:Oh, okay. Well, if I'm wrong, I apologize, but it's somewhere in the Bible.
WALTER:It's in there. I'm just wanting to make sure, because I don't want to buy that.
SHANEA:Okay, I don't have the Bible thumpers.
WALTER:He was. He was a pro, Like it was towards the end stuffers I don't have the Bible thumpers. He was, he was a pro, like it was towards the end of time, Like his ending being it was John 14. It was John 14 and 30 that he said that. And he was saying essentially, let me make sure and everyone, I'm just making sure because we do have people who know this scripture and they will come and they look for reasons to try to say what you're saying is not of God.
SHANEA:But this was after he was being tested, right.
WALTER:Yes. Okay. Let me make sure. Okay, okay, let me make sure.
SHANEA:Okay, but while my husband is looking for that, no what?
WALTER:That's not at that point. When was it? It was before.
SHANEA:It was before.
WALTER:Yeah, it was before, but it was when he was wrapping up. He was saying that because his time was coming to an end.
SHANEA:Where was he?
WALTER:at. He wasn't in Gethsemane, he was just, basically, I believe he was speaking to the disciples outside. Of this is way before that. It's John 14.
SHANEA:What does it say? What does John?
WALTER:14 say. It says 14 and 30,. I don't have much more time to talk to you because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me, but I will do what the Father requires of me so that the world will know that I love the Father. Come, let's be going. But this is Huh. Yeah, this is when he was having conversations with the disciples. He was wrapping things up before Judas betrayed him, but that's a different conversation for a different point. What my wife said was true, it was around, but it was not in the garden, if it gets to me, so just wanted to make sure.
SHANEA:Oh, okay.
WALTER:Because you're not going to come for my wife. Go ahead, babe.
SHANEA:Okay, okay. The ruler of this world is coming.
WALTER:He has nothing in me so he was wrapping up like because his time was coming to an end and he knew his time was coming to an end seasons. But we're not gonna touch on that. That was done in a different episode. Okay, but we can go ahead and my bad y'all bring it to him. Listen, I'll be. That's why, even with me, I'm like, like, let me make sure, I believe this is what it says and that's what we do, I believe, let me make sure.
SHANEA:Okay, okay. Well, I don't know where he was when he said it.
WALTER:Yeah, he was just with his disciples. I know he said it yeah, go ahead.
SHANEA:He did. So. The areas that you guys can reflect on, or when you're at home, or after you finish watching this podcast, is to ask god if you're still walking in the flesh. What areas are you still walking in flesh? What areas are you saying I want, I want, I want, I, I need? Yes. And committing those thoughts and desires to the Lord. Amen, tired. I know it's been a long day.
WALTER:It has been, but God has kept us.
SHANEA:All right, so we're going to rack up, so my husband will get some rest.
WALTER:We appreciate you all so much and we are so grateful and thankful to be able to share a community with you. We do be reading through the comments. My wife responds a lot, but I respond more. So, ladies, if you DM us, I'm not responding to you. My wife responds to you. Sorry, not sorry, but we definitely appreciate you all and we are grateful for you all. We're grateful that God brought you all across our path, and our paths are what's the word? Colliding and our paths are what's the word?
WALTER:colliding, and prayerfully at some point.
SHANEA:You know, as it continues to grow, we could do some type of conference where we're able to see everyone in person oh, and I'm sorry, just when I was saying in the garden, no, because what I was saying was because he came right and he couldn't find anything in him to tempt him. No, because what I was saying was because he came right. And he couldn't find anything in him to tempt him? No, that's true. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I didn't mean like he actually literally like said it there.
WALTER:Okay, I thought you were saying that he actually said, because he did say that at one point.
SHANEA:Yeah, he did say it. But what? I'm sorry. What I meant was that he couldn't find anything when he was in the garden.
WALTER:Okay, okay I'm just saying because I, I listen, we have to do this because people will come and you know, we've we've had to deal with some, some foolishness. I just don't want nobody coming for my wife saying, oh she's, she don't know what you're talking about exactly.
SHANEA:I know what I'm talking about I just didn't want nobody coming for my wife saying, oh she's, she don't know what she talking about. Exactly, I know what I'm talking about. I just didn't have the scripture for you.
WALTER:But I'm going to bring the scripture, so we're going to find the scripture so y'all can come. I know, you know what you're talking about, but I just want to make sure you protect her, you know.
SHANEA:I appreciate you because he's like a papa bear and he gonna continue to keep protecting me, yeah, from any and everybody, don't come from my wife but um, you want to end this out yeah, we got. We appreciate you guys. We thank you for tuning in, sticking in with us through all our foolishness. You know our ups, our downs.
WALTER:I guess Continue.
SHANEA:Anyway, so.
WALTER:To God be the glory. To God be the glory. Oh our pretend fights that people thought we were having.
SHANEA:Yes, that's what I meant.
WALTER:Be chilling. Oh, they're arguing. We got all finished. This Enjoyed our day. He's enjoying it before Mm. Hmm, okay, to God be the glory.
SHANEA:To God be the glory.
WALTER:Like the whole thing. I don't know how to do that. What. Like comment, subscribe stuff.
SHANEA:Oh yeah. Well, you guys know the deal. Yes. Please like, share, subscribe. Share your comments. Tell us what you like, what you didn't like, if you have any questions. Concerns not about our marriage but about the podcast.
WALTER:To God be the glory. We appreciate you all until we see you we'll see you next week, final episode for season one yeah is next week. One more episode in three months hiatus and we'll be back with you absolutely. God bless.
SHANEA:God bless, see you later see you later.
WALTER:Bye bye you almost forgot to say bye, I did okay, bye, I was gonna do what the little girl did what?
SHANEA:Bye, bye. You almost forgot to say bye. I did Okay, bye.
WALTER:I was going to do what the little girl did.
SHANEA:What Bye Bye.
WALTER:How'd she do it?
SHANEA:She was like bye, just like bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. I feel like I'm on Star Trek or something.
WALTER:No, she'll keep that in.