The Spirit Realm: Part Two

What if spiritual power isn’t about methods, but about permission? We open up the spirit realm with scripture and personal stories, showing why authority flows from a relationship with Jesus, not from rituals, followers, or hype. From Acts 19’s sons of Sceva to Daniel 10’s delayed angelic messenger, we map out how legitimacy, timing, and jurisdiction shape real breakthroughs and why “power without permission” invites backlash.

We go straight at today’s spiritual counterfeits: Reiki presented as healing, empty affirmations posing as renewal, divination marketed as guidance, and even “Christian” expressions that subtly center self. First Corinthians 12 helps us discern authentic gifts that come from one Spirit. At the same time, Isaiah 11 guides us through the seven Spirits of God: wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, fear of the Lord, and the Spirit of the Lord Himself. These operations of the Holy Spirit don’t just inform our faith; they protect us from trading intimacy for imitation.

You’ll also hear a needed correction to a popular myth: Satan wasn’t “heaven’s worship leader.” Scripture paints a picture of a high-ranking cherub who guarded glory, not a choir director. Why does that matter? Because the enemy’s real strategy is mimicry: create the shape of the kingdom without its King. That’s why our focus returns to abiding in Christ. When we move where the Father sends us, evangelism becomes an assignment, authority becomes effortless, and our words carry weight because heaven backs them.

Suppose you’re hungry to move into real authority, navigate spiritual warfare wisely, and recognize counterfeits without becoming cynical. In that case, this conversation will ground you in the Word and lift you into alignment. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs clarity, and leave a review to tell us what challenged you most and what you want us to unpack next.

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Prayer, Setup, And Part Two

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where together we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact others. I'm your host, Walter. I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife.

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Shinea.

SPEAKER_07 0:13

This is episode five. Four five?

SPEAKER_02 0:18

It's episode five, I think.

SPEAKER_07 0:19

You said four, like you were saying four. This is episode five. No, you said four. This is episode five. This is part two of the spirit realm. And so we are going to get started. Baby hungry.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 0:40

That's why you're silly.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

I am hungry.

SPEAKER_07 0:43

Okay. So um my wife prayed last time. Please excuse my wife if she's giddly or whatever. When she's hungry, this is what happens. Welcome to my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Right?

SPEAKER_07 1:05

Is it hangry?

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Yes, it's hangry.

unknown 1:09

Okay.

Followers, Money, And Church Culture

SPEAKER_07 1:10

So I will open us up in prayer. Father God, we thank you for this day. We thank you for your love, your mercy, your grace. We thank you for your kindness. We submit and surrender to you. Holy Spirit, we welcome you into this home. We welcome you. We welcome your presence. We pray that we will be led by you in all that we do. Speak through us. Make yourself known. Lord Jesus, we submit to you. We welcome you. Allow your presence to flow throughout this space. Allow this podcast to reach those that you've called for it to reach. We decrease, asking that you would increase in us. We take backstage, asking that you would take center stage. We give you the glory, the praise, and the honor encounter done even now in the name of Jesus, we pray. Amen. What you got to say? You thought something in me. Yes, you did. So where did we well, where did we leave off last week?

SPEAKER_03 2:14

You kind of went on a tangent when I was talking about um We were talking about uh is it Simon? Simon Sorcerer and Philip.

SPEAKER_07 2:22

You went on a tangent.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

I did not.

SPEAKER_07 2:25

You did too. The Holy Spirit went on a tangent. Don't put me in that. Don't put me in that.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Look.

SPEAKER_07 2:33

Talking about Simon and Philip.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Simon, right? Simon and Simon and Sonic.

SPEAKER_07 2:36

I was talking about Philip, yes. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

No, was it Simon? Or who was it? Who were we talking about?

SPEAKER_07 2:42

It was Simon and Philip. It was Simon. Um Simon the Sorcerer following Philip instead of following Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Yeah, and Peter rebuked him.

SPEAKER_07 2:50

Yeah. And you were talking about how we have to be careful. Because a lot of us I was talking about it. Well, you went to a place that you was not expecting to go. Oh. I thought you were talking about it. Did I? We both were.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

No, I mean I read this scripture and then like you were like, whoa, I got a revelation.

SPEAKER_07 3:11

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. For those who may have not heard last week's episode, go back and you will see who got the revelation. My wife did. I I realized where you were going and I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

It wasn't me.

SPEAKER_07 3:27

I was trying to, it wasn't you, but still I realized where you were being taken, and I didn't want to have an Emma situation because people be out here worshiping men. So I don't want us to have to deal with any unnecessary warfare because people worship men.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

For those who don't know who Emma is, Emma's Emma Stark. She's a prophet over there in Scotland.

SPEAKER_07 3:48

Isn't it Scotland or Ireland?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

I think it's Scotland.

SPEAKER_07 3:51

It may be Scotland, but she's Irish, right? Or is she I don't know. Okay. That beep. Don't know why that beeped.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

That's what it is.

SPEAKER_07 4:02

So, um Yeah, we were talking about that. We were discussing that.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

It's really important because we were talking about not having a lot of followers.

SPEAKER_07 4:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

That's where we left off at.

SPEAKER_07 4:14

We were discussing not and not equating um the amount of followers. And why does this always happen when we start recording? Trains start hitting, everything starts going on.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

I have no clue. Well, I mean, I know why, but maybe because it irritates you. Don't be bothering them, I don't think.

SPEAKER_07 4:34

It does bother me. Holy Spirit, I thank you. Um we we we we thank God for a studio.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Yes, we thank God for a studio.

SPEAKER_07 4:46

To do all of the things that God has called us to do. A space that can be treated. Yes, we uh need to do. We are so grateful for a studio. We are believing God for a studio space.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

You guys believe God for a studio for us also.

SPEAKER_07 5:03

We would appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Because we have some we have some things we need to do.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

We have so much that God has called us to do that we're limited to do. Um that requires additional space. So we we are grateful for a studio, we are grateful for resources to pump into the things that God has called us to do. Um there's a lot that God has placed upon our hearts that He wants us to do. And for me personally, I think and we're going into a tangent again. I I just don't like the idea of um charging people to receive the word of God.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Where's this coming from?

SPEAKER_07 5:51

Because a lot of people do these podcasts and they start saying, you know, and I just don't agree with that. I mean, I don't believe that's a I don't agree with it. I can't tell you what God told you to do. I it's just something that's uncomfortable for me. It's like every time we go to church and the people will be trying to take up an offering every single time we go, like, no, every time the church door is open. It just is like every time. And I think of like the instances of Jesus where he um he um with the 5,000 men and plus women and children. It didn't say how many women and children there were, it said 5,000 men plus women and children. And in that instance, like, you know, and we're going off on a tangent, it's cool. But in that instance, he uh Jesus didn't go to try to take up an offering. He wanted to feed the people. Yeah, you know, and so I think that is such an amazing reflection of how the church should be.

Halloween, Witchcraft, And Spiritual Agreements

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Well, I believe that they think that they are feeding the people, they're feeding them the word of God, their daily bread.

SPEAKER_07 6:53

Jesus fed the people the word of God and he fed them physically. He met their spiritual and their physical needs.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

You saw the way I looked at the camera, like an abbot? Yes. Or maybe.

SPEAKER_07 7:04

Yes, I did. And so I I think it's really important that we approach it from that perspective. But we won't we won't go into that.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

No, that's for another time. We're supposed to be talking about the spirit realm. We just got got through with Halloween. It really wasn't that bad this year. What do you mean? As far as like the spiritual like attacks, warfare, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 7:27

Oh. I don't never have issues with that because it's October is a horrible month.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

I mean, for me personally.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

I think it's because of what was Oh, because what's in my bloodline, what was attached to me. Exactly. It is is it was it was it was better this year.

SPEAKER_07 7:48

Why do you think it was better?

SPEAKER_03 7:49

I don't know. Exactly. Maybe I have a different ranking in the spirit. Um, maybe so. But the last two years has been like trash. It was bad. It affected everybody around me.

SPEAKER_07 8:04

Why you say everybody around you?

SPEAKER_03 8:06

Because it did.

SPEAKER_07 8:07

Because of the stuff that I was seeing? Stuff you saw, stuff the kids was dealing with, just I think the kids were, I think in general the family was just dealing with warfare from um decisions that we made prior to be with people that God never intended for us to be with. And that presented its own set of warfare on top of the stuff that you deal with in the month of October.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

Yeah, well, I mean, not to mention people who are doing witchcraft and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 8:33

That part too. Against people doing witchcraft as well. Mm-hmm. That part too. So it's a lot. It's so interesting because we come from so such different backgrounds.

SPEAKER_03 8:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 8:44

We both still dealt with trauma, but we come from different backgrounds, like completely night and day.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Yeah, God was like, you know what, we're gonna bring this couple together. Good versus evil.

SPEAKER_07 8:55

Because even when you think of like the May, and we're talking everyone, and we'll get to it. But even when you think about the like the Masonic movement.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

It's relevant.

SPEAKER_07 9:02

Yeah, even when you think about the Masonic movement, the fact that I, you know, someone tried to introduce that to me when I was 12.

unknown 9:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:09

And I knew intuitively that it was not good.

unknown 9:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

And I came back and told my mom, because they, they, he portrayed it. It was my next door neighbor. He seemed to be in a place where he had everything together. Um, a very respectable gentleman in the neighborhood. And he tried to introduce me to the Masonic Temple, the Masons. And I went there and it was just so dark. I can't explain it other than the fact that it was so dark. And they were doing an initiation, but I wasn't able to partake in the initiation. Right. But I saw their uh their temple. And so when I was seeing some of the stuff that was going on and some of the things that he was saying, I was like, This don't line up with the word of God.

unknown 9:55

Nah, bruh, bruh, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

But you have to know the word of God.

SPEAKER_07 9:58

But it it was just, I think it was the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

Yeah, but your but your mom like kind of She knew the word of God. She gave you a found, she gave you a foundation. The Holy Spirit in you was like, nah, bruh.

SPEAKER_07 10:11

Yeah, but she she was like, hey, you know, and I think that's also a reflection of of Christians being um sometimes foolish to the spirit realm and what's taking place, the different occult.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Yeah, because you see things in the natural and you think it's and become and I think the other thing is tradition, like we're talking about tradition and culture. Like everybody in the neighborhood was doing it, so it must not have been that bad.

SPEAKER_07 10:36

It's no different than like the fraternities and sororities, where it's like, okay, it's it's a good thing, and they're doing something good for the community. But when you dig into the roots of what it is, it's very demonic. It's very demonic. And it's like, oh, I don't believe in that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

It don't touch me, it don't have nothing to do with me. Nothing really bad happened to me, but you're dealing with perversion.

SPEAKER_07 10:58

Yeah, you're partaking in rituals, though.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

You're partaking in rituals, you're wondering why now you got anxiety, depression, you drink it, you smoke it, you around a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_07 11:06

Well, see, there's contracts, right, in the spirit realm that we don't realize that we sign when we do certain things. Even like when, you know, I forgot who it was, but they was talking about Halloween, and we was even discussing it, that you don't realize when you give out candy, when you do certain things, you're basically signing a contract, basically saying that you're okay with this.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Yeah, you come into agreement. I mean, the the the Satanist, what's his name? Uh LeBay.

SPEAKER_07 11:32

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

I think his name is Le Bay, the one that was over the um satanic cult and Cali wrote this really this book that most of them go by. Um, he's like, I'm glad that, you know, at least Christians and everybody can celebrate at least one day of evil. One day, one, one day of evil.

SPEAKER_07 11:52

They don't take it serious.

Freemasonry, Fraternities, And Hidden Contracts

SPEAKER_03 11:53

And it's like, uh, and then people are like, no, we're not really celebrating. We're just, you know, like, nah, you partaking. He he clearly said he loves it when you guys partake in activities that pertain and surround itself around Halloween. No matter if it's trunk or treat at the church, no matter if it's, you know, you know, like you dressing up or you watching a horror film, or you just partaking in general. Is it you coming into agreement?

SPEAKER_07 12:24

Well, we gonna kick, we're going, because we'll keep talking.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Yeah. But it's just, you know, those illegal accesses. So there's a reason why you wanted to join a fraternity. There's a reason why you wanted to join some type of community because you you a lot of people find their identity in that. They have memorabilia everywhere, you know. Um, like even with the the the Masons, like memorabilia everywhere. It's it's on their car, it's in their home. It's they wear it like a badge of honor instead of it.

SPEAKER_07 12:57

Same thing with the fraternities and sororities and all of that stuff. This it's just weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

When you actually really think about it, um it's branding.

SPEAKER_07 13:04

Yes, it's like you, you're you bring it.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

You marked yourself.

SPEAKER_07 13:08

Yeah. And I think that's the challenge, and people are gonna hate that. But it's just the reality. If you are a part of a fraternity, a sorority, I would just say pray on it. You know, um, I know the revelation I have on it. I know my wife knows the revelation she has on it. I would definitely say pray on it. This is not a space where we judge. I think a lot of times uh for people who are in the faith, the Bible says that we perish because of the lack of knowledge. I believe it says that in Hosea. It says, my people perish because of the lack of knowledge. And so a lot of times it's just we don't know. We like, you know, even me, when I was not in the church, um, and I was just kind of in the world, I I staged my house at one point in time. You know, I came into agreement a couple of times with the whole uh Gemini situation. And it is, it wasn't an understanding of all of that stuff is demonic. It's spiritual. And they don't, they don't um market it that way. They don't portray it as what it really is. And part of the issue is that the church don't talk about it, the church don't teach on it. Out the teachings that we talked about this last week, unfortunately, within the church, all they keep teaching you is they get they keep giving you milk.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

Yeah, well, they don't teach you the spiritual implic implic implication. How do you say it?

SPEAKER_07 14:26

Implications.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Implications. I was on the right track.

SPEAKER_07 14:28

You was there.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

I was there.

SPEAKER_07 14:30

I was like, just you sounded like somebody. You know, the free you sounded like the person of the free world. I could not say a seed of benefits. Well, this is a tough one. A c da da.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Anyway, they don't they don't uh teach you the spiritual consequences of doing things in the natural, like they don't correlate with each other, like there's two totally different worlds. While they are two totally different worlds, they mirror each other. So they're kind of not, they're intertwined together.

SPEAKER_05 15:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

And so, like one of the revelations I got um, you know, earlier, because you know, my family, my background, you come from a background full of preachers and you know, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 15:19

And my background comes from a bunch of I have some on granddad's side that, you know, with the indigenous that was really dabbled in some stuff. No, you know, dabble, them boys was yeah, that because that's their culture. Yeah, but you grew up around I grew up around the church, and yeah, like granddad was a pastor, and like I have a few aunts that were preachers, uncles that were preachers, evangelists, apostles, prophets.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

So you are some of who you are around, right? I was not like my family was in the church, but they were also in the cult. They were Freemasons, they were matrons, they they were up there, they was they was up there.

SPEAKER_07 15:57

They was straddling.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

It was ranked up there. Um, so yes, they were straddling the fence, they were worshiping a false Christ. So that's where where my background comes from. But what the the what was revealed to me like all throughout this whole process is, you know, people are always, like I said, they're searching for some type of identity, they're searching for healing, they're searching for all these things. And I got this revelation that you, you know, you're when you're looking for those things, right? Because you talk about the seven, the seven spirits, right? Um, when you're looking for healing, when you're you're that's a a a gift, right? That God will give us is healing. But people do all these other things, like they'll go and get Reiki done, or they'll start doing yoga, or they'll start doing um, what's those things? What's that called? Um, and that's all demonic. It's it's literally like a a perverse version of healing because the true healer is comes from Jesus. The true healer comes, the true healing comes from God. And only God can reveal that to you. And so you have people who are going to Reiki, they're going to yoga, but you're not really getting any better, you know.

SPEAKER_04 17:17

Yeah.

Counterfeits Of Healing And Identity

SPEAKER_03 17:17

You're not really getting any better. And then you you you have people who are doing like affirmations and they're doing meditations to try and, you know, uh make themselves feel good about themselves, um, trying to revamp their identity, change, renew their mind, but they're doing it without Christ. They're doing it without the word of God. And the Bible, and they'll spute you down and say, Well, the Bible says you can meditate. Yeah, meditate on the word, the word of God. Meaning, like, you're not supposed to just sit idle and allow spirits or whatever to come into your mind and start talking to you. You know, you're supposed to meditate on the word so that it becomes written on your heart. They even do spiritual baths, which is a representation of baptisms. And so you're just accessing this spirit realm illegally. It's a perverse version.

SPEAKER_07 18:14

Well, I mean, getting into this this second or part of uh part two of the spirit realm, um, I I think a good place to start is Acts 19, 13 through 16, when it touches on the sons of uh Skeva and their attempt to cast out demons. And it was interesting because the scripture states that they stated by the Jesus whom Paul preaches. And the scripture says, but the spirit said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are you? And the issue is that they were operating outside of their realm of authority and with no legitimacy, no relationship, and no registration in heaven.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Yeah, no revelation.

SPEAKER_07 18:58

There's no revelation, and I think the authority comes from having that revelation. And so it it's an understanding that in order for you to move in the spirit realm, like you have to be in a situation where like God knows you. You know? Now you can move, I guess, because people cast out demons and all of those different things, which I would have to dig into why, because Jesus would still say, Turn away from me before I never knew you. So God can use you, right? Because people talk, Jesus said that they would come to him and say that we cast out demons in your name.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

Yeah, but in this particular instance, this is something that they they didn't have authorization to do.

SPEAKER_07 19:38

They weren't gifted in it.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

No. And that's why you have people saging their houses and doing all these things, and it don't work.

SPEAKER_07 19:45

Yeah. So the thing is, accessing the spirit realm without the son of God is something many unknowingly do, especially today. And so you talked about Reiki, Reiki uh for healing. You talked about relying on affirmations. I don't think you talked about relying on affirmations and meditation. That's a big one.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, that's what I was saying. They they rely on affirmations and meditation to try and renew their mind.

SPEAKER_07 20:09

Instead of declaring the scriptures, yeah, or uh seeking diviners, or like, you know, whether it's right, so psychics. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

But the perverse version of that is going is listening to prophets, listening to your pastor or evangelist or anything like that. But they'll go to, or literally the Holy Spirit. It's the Holy Spirit. So they're perverted and they go to psychics, psychics, spiritualists, the spiritualists, and they'll talk about you know these spirit guides. And it's like it's not spirit guides. I mean, they're guiding you, they're just not guiding you in the right direction.

SPEAKER_07 20:40

And so with that, you are entering the spirit realm illegally. And so I think it's important that we remember those things. You talked about the uh spiritual baths, um, all of these different things is just ways that they enter the spirit realm illegally. And so it's just really remembering, right? The importance of meditating on the word of God, uh, decreeing the word of God over our lives. And as you stated, we receive healing through the Holy Spirit. That's a gift of the Spirit of God. Um and it's really just the importance of being untainted. You know, the Bible lets us know, and we we know that we're to live consecrated and holy and sanctified lives. So there's no there's no place for uh the light to be connected to darkness. And I think a lot of times in the church we mix, we mix stuff, we become mixed because we want the power.

Sons Of Sceva: Illicit Access Exposed

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Yeah, and and the thing is people aren't ignorant to the fact that there is a spirit realm, right? Because you're you're you're you're a triune being, you are a spirit, right? You you hold place for a spirit, uh a soul, and a body. You know that. And and people are seeking that spiritual connection so that when they do have these experiences, whether it's through Reiki or through a diviner or through yoga, they have these spiritual experiences and they're thinking, oh, well, this must be God because God's allowing it to happen. And it's like the spirit realm is is available for everybody. Everybody can access it. Everybody has access to it. But it's just how you get the access.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Right? It's like it's like we have a home, and somebody can come into our home, they have access to it, but they are there illegally.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

Come into what home?

SPEAKER_03 22:35

I'm talking about like a house, like somebody coming in the house.

SPEAKER_07 22:38

Don't come in this house. You don't want them problems.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

They have access to the house, meaning like the house, the house is there. They can get in the house, but they're not there. They they gotta go through all their stuff to get in the house. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 22:53

I don't think you should walk into people's houses in the south.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

We talk about in the spirit, man. We're talking about the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

You I was in the natural for a second.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Yeah, yes, you were.

SPEAKER_07 23:03

The ears perked up.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

Yeah, you were. You're getting this for something, but you don't know what that is. You don't know what that's gonna be, what it's gonna look like, what that trade-off is, because that's what Satan does. He gives you something that you that you that that looks good, but you gotta give him something back. He's gonna expect something back from you. Just like Jesus expects the same thing. It's just like who you gonna give your body to, who you gonna give your soul to, who you wanna do transactions with.

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

Why are you looking at me like that? What?

SPEAKER_07 24:06

Continue.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

What did I go off?

SPEAKER_07 24:10

No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Why are you looking at me like that?

SPEAKER_07 24:13

No reason. Continue. I'm getting scriptures together. So we can move in the scripture. Continue.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

Are you getting revelations or something?

SPEAKER_07 24:22

No. First Corinthians 12, 4 through 7.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Okay.

Gifts, Realms, And Jurisdiction

SPEAKER_07 24:25

I'm keeping us on track. 1 Corinthians 12, 4 through 7. Uh, there are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same spirit is the source of them all. There are different kinds of service, but we serve the same Lord. God works in different ways, but in the same God, excuse me, but it's the same God who does the work in all of us. A spiritual gift is given to each of us so we can help each other. Um, stop there, but I'll go a little bit further. To one person, the spirit gives the ability to give wise advice. To another, the same spirit gives a message of special knowledge, the same spirit gives great faith to another, and to someone else that one spirit gives the gift of healing. He gives permission, or he gives one person the power to perform miracles, and another the ability the ability to prophesy. He gives someone else the ability to discern whether a message is from the spirit of God or from another spirit. Still, another person is given the ability to speak in unknown languages, while another is given the ability to interpret what is being said. It is the one and only spirit who distributes all these gifts. He alone decides which gift each person should have. And that just digs into what you were saying that um that the gifts that you can receive are extremely diversified. Uh there's one spirit that's given them out, and that each realm carries its own operation, gift, and authority. Accessing or functioning in one realm doesn't automatically mean access to all others. And so it's just different we all operate differently within the spirit. And so I believe that you know, it's my belief that Jesus carried all of it. Well, that we know that Jesus operated with all within all.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Yeah, I think the thing is also is that they come without repentance. So like you have a gift, but you could use it for demonic purposes.

SPEAKER_07 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

So like there's a lot of people who have healing hands. And instead of being a massage therapist, they'll be a Reiki therapist, or you know, or you know, instead of, you know, being in a healing ministry, you know, laying hands on people where God tells you to lay hands or um being a deliverance ministry, you know. Or giving wisdom, they use it for other purposes.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

It's just understanding that for um everything that's within the body of Christ, the enemy has created his own version of it within the kingdom of darkness. And it just goes back to some of the episodes that we touched on before where the enemy desires to be like God, so he creates things that are um that mimics the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Yeah, it's literally just a mirror. Like, I don't know, I probably would. I mean, before I was saved and converted, I watched Stranger Things, and it's like, it's literally like you have a world and then you have an upside down world. It's just, it's just, sorry, it's just a mirror.

SPEAKER_07 27:32

So moving on, we have Daniel 10, 12 through 13. And this is just another another example of, you know, the fact that there is different there's different hierarchies, there's different uh realms of the spirit, because a lot of people they want scripture to prove it. Um Daniel 10, 12 through 13. You want to read that? Grab that and read that. Uh Daniel chapter 10. And and everything that we're reading, we're reading from the NLT version.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Is it Daniel 10 12?

SPEAKER_07 28:13

Yeah, 10, 12 through 13.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Then he said, Don't be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day you began to pray for understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your request has been heard in heaven. I have come in answer to your prayer. But for 21 days, the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia.

SPEAKER_07 28:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

So, um It's obvious he wasn't like a physical prince.

SPEAKER_07 28:53

No, they would argue. I don't I don't know who would even argue that though. It would be obvious that, you know, this is an angel that uh Daniel is speaking to, so this was a angel was like, I had to battle another spirit to get this answer to you. Who was over a kingdom, and then another angel had to come and assist, I believe, is what he was saying. So the message could be sent to Daniel. And so he had even that angel had to seek assistance.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Because that spirit had authority over that territory of whatever he was praying for.

Daniel 10 And Territorial Warfare

SPEAKER_07 29:29

Exactly. So it's I think the key thing with this I have an itch. Oh the key thing with this is um even even angelic beings require permission to move between realms, right? And I I think about Hebrews chapter one, which is good to read because it essentially states that it's God that sent the angels forth to do. His bidding throughout the earth, right? And it's really important for us to remember that because you would have people in the the world or some some people in the church make you think that you have some type of authority over the angels and you don't. The angels go according to the word of God, they follow the word of God, which is why some people to pray something and nothing happens, you're not in tune and or connected to the will of God. It's the will of God. It's the word of God that gets the angels to move.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Yeah, and the angels either are gonna let it happen or not let it happen.

SPEAKER_07 30:35

Yes. But it's not your word, it's the word when you speak the word of God. They're connected to the word of God.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Right.

SPEAKER_07 30:44

So um, I guess insight would be every realm carries its own level of warfare, authority, and responsibility. Some doors can only be opened through relationship, revelation, and divine timing. As you go from level to level, you're going to deal with warfare. It's just the reality of what it is.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:05

You, of course, you're going to a greater level, you have a greater level of authority.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

But depending on what God's called you to, um, just like with the children of Israel, um, they had different territories they had to conquer before they can get to the actual promised land. And so it's the same thing with you.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

If God has a place for you that he wants you to be in, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to face some giants. You're gonna have to face some uh territorial spirits. You're gonna have to fight. You're gonna have to be like Daniel.

SPEAKER_07 31:37

It comes with the territory. Yeah. At the end of the day, it comes with a territory.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Because you have forces that's trying to come up against you, whether you see them or not.

SPEAKER_07 31:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

They're there.

SPEAKER_07 31:47

And so now we move into alignment, legitimacy, and authority. Do you want to read Luke chapter 10, verse 19 through 20?

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Luke 10.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

Luke 1920. It says, Look, I have oh Jesus says Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you. But don't rejoice because evil spirits obey you. Rejoice because your names are registered in heaven. And I I love this because I say it all the time in prayer, but I use the New King James version. I don't like the NLT version. I think it sounds better.

SPEAKER_07 32:50

I mean, it's it's a reflection of remembering why we're doing what we're doing, uh, yet also understanding that true authority comes by way of Jesus. Outside of that, it's not there. And I think we, especially in today's day and age, we have to be really careful because we have a lot of leaders that have charisma, but they don't have authority. And we don't understand the difference between the two. You have the gift of gab, but your words carry no power. Because the only way that your words truly carry power is by way of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Yeah, it's by revelation. Like for even for me, you know, it was like, dang, Jesus really did die. I have authority. He says it right here. I have authority over all the power of the enemy. And so whatever's coming my way, I can literally just speak to it and keep speaking to it and keep speaking to it until something breaks. Until something happens.

SPEAKER_07 33:53

Our entire approach in life is wrong. Even like when we approach, for example, evangelism, it bothers me because I believe the way that evangelism is approached is not necessarily biblical. And what I mean by that is that there is this idea to just go wherever you want to go, right? You just want to speak to as many people as you can speak to. Well, Jesus always would tell them to go where I sent you. Go where I sent you because everyone has a divine, those who have been called to come into the fold, they have a what he would always tell me with you and others, there's a divine destiny or a divine uh timeline or a place in time when you will come into the fold.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

Yeah, everybody has their own appointment. Yeah, like Elijah. Elijah's like, I'm the only one. And God's like, No, you're not.

True Authority: Names Registered In Heaven

SPEAKER_07 34:46

Yeah. And so when you approach that, um you have to approach evangelism from a perspective of going where God has called you to go. And then when you do that, you also realize it's not about what you say. Because we look at Peter and the Bible says that the Holy Spirit speaking through Peter is what convicted the men. And they came to Peter saying, What must I do to be saved? So our approach has to shift from, you know, I'm just trying to get out and get as many people to hear about this to I'm trying to get to the people that God has called me to.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Yeah, I think it's, you know, knowing when to use your authority. Um, obviously, if someone's coming up against you, you have authority because they're coming up against you. But you trying to um go up against something that you don't have authority over, like praying for someone and you don't know really know what they're dealing with, or um you going and talking and evangelizing to some people, um, that might not be your territory. That might not be your um, that may not be God's will for you to do that, even though you think that you're doing good works, just like good works. You're doing good works, but is it what God called you to do? Is it where he called you to be? Because then you'll be dealing with unnecessary warfare, like the seven uh sons of Skeva.

SPEAKER_07 36:11

Well, it I think the biggest thing that I would recommend anyone, especially if you're in the faith now, you have a relationship with God, you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, uh, read the Gospels. Because in reading, reading the Gospels, you will see um Jesus consistently move in a particular way. And I'm and it is my belief that he said it enough, and it's just a revelation that the Holy Spirit gave to me. He said it enough to where even when he didn't say it, you know it was implied. And Jesus only went where the father sent him. Jesus will constantly tell us what I say what the father tells me to say. I do what the father tells me to do.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Not what other people are doing.

SPEAKER_07 36:57

Exactly. Outside of that, if so, when you hear me speak, you're hearing the father speak. And he's like, when you see me moving, I'm moving because the father told me to move. And so now that becomes a reflection or an example to us. So we're like, oh, Jesus' heart was moved to heal people. No, his heart was moved, but he still moved within the constraints of the Spirit of God because he was submitted to the Father.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

He delivered who he was supposed to deliver.

SPEAKER_07 37:24

He prayed, who he prayed for who he was supposed to pray for. Because if Jesus was doing what he wanted to do, he would have never let Lazarus die. That's just the reason he didn't want him to, but he spoke and said that I it is not time yet.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

Right. Or he could have just casted the devil out of uh what's his name?

unknown 37:42

Who?

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Judas.

SPEAKER_07 37:44

Oh yeah. But he did it. He said, I kept those, I kept all of those except the one that you meant for destruction.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Because he rebuked Peter.

SPEAKER_07 37:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:52

He said, Say, get thee behind me. So he But he did not rebuke Judas.

SPEAKER_07 37:57

And he also restored Peter. And so once again, Jesus was, he himself submitted himself to the will of the Father. So with us, I think, how do we feel, how do we believe, or what what makes us think that we aren't supposed to do the same thing?

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Because they don't teach us to move in the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 38:15

Yeah. Which is why we have this teaching right now.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Because you're moving off the natural of things that just you just you just see. I see this person's angry. I see you struggling. I see you dealing with this. And it's like, okay, well, what did God tell you to do? Did he tell you to go talk to that lady at the abortion clinic? Did he tell you? Why are you doing it? No, I'm just saying, because I'm I'm saying just in general, like street preaching or like, you know, going and talking to people. It's like, did God tell you to do that? Yes, you can give people scripture, but that's not gonna do anything. You just read scripture to people. You could go to church for that. People go to church all the time and get scripture read to them.

SPEAKER_07 38:54

Well, the the thing is that we have to remember what brings forth change is the spirit of God. And truthfully, you know, love is something that's so amazing. And so, in those instances, because we know in America, one of the huge things that that the church struggle with, the huge thing that they look at and they fuss about all the time is what LGBTQ and abortion. It gets so tiring. It's the same argument. You should not take someone's life. You are a murderer, and you are going to hell because you are a part of the LGBTQ plus community, and that is an abomination to God. Right. And my only question is stomach is grounded. My only question is, what happened to love?

SPEAKER_05 39:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 39:50

What happened to love? Like, what happened to love? You know, like what happened to giving people a choice? What happened to respecting people's decisions?

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Or remembering that Jesus is with them.

SPEAKER_07 40:06

Either way.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

Even going through what they're going through.

SPEAKER_07 40:08

And just loving them and saying, you know, in spite, no matter what you do, and no matter what choice that you make, Jesus still loves you. And he wants you to be free from the stuff that you're dealing with.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

I mean, he's always there. It's just a matter of helping them recognize that he is.

SPEAKER_07 40:26

Or being okay. Being okay with people not accepting it and not forcing it on them and just letting them make the decisions for their lives and understanding that you're not their God.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Right. Because Jesus knows. He knows their path, he knows what they're gonna do, but he's still there, just like he was there with Judas. He knew what Judas was gonna do, but he was still there. He didn't disown him.

SPEAKER_07 40:50

So, with this, right? Um, did you put this illustration in?

SPEAKER_01 40:55

What illustration?

SPEAKER_07 40:56

The police officer.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Uh I don't know.

unknown 41:02

Probably.

SPEAKER_07 41:03

So the illustration here, and this is just dealing with authority, a police officer's badge only has power within their jurisdiction.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

You did that. I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_07 41:11

Okay. And that's that's with anything, whether that's, you know, we have different uh branches of law enforcement here in America. You have the police, you have the FBI, you have the U.S. Marshals, you have the state troops, you have DEA, you have CIA, you have Secret Service, you have also now we dig into military and the different military branches within the military. Right. And they all have different types of authority.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 41:39

They all have different types of authority. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

It's a whole legal system.

SPEAKER_07 41:43

Now currently, currently, as we speak, look, people are just kind of doing whatever they want and not adhering to the laws of the land that's been set in place, but we won't get into that because this is not this podcast. But what is currently happening in the United States, in the United States of America, is not legal. Many people are foregoing the things that's been set in place to basically state that no one is above the law, and um they're doing things to make it seem as if they are above.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

Well, and the thing is, like in the spirit realm, just because you're able to do it don't mean that you should. Doesn't mean that you should. And it doesn't mean that you're not gonna have consequences for those things. You it might seem like it's right right now because you're able to do it.

SPEAKER_07 42:35

Well, and this is this digs back into history, right? And you look at history and you see that many people who moved in a way that went against the laws of the land or try to uh get caught up in certain things, they were always held accountable. And I would say you are going to be held accountable whether in this life or the next. But it is understanding, right, that there are um within the spiritual realm, right? Uh there's different authority functions that you're given, right? God has given you to operate within the spirit realm, and outside of that, you might want to stay away from it.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Right.

SPEAKER_07 43:16

It's as simple as that. So now we dig into the seven spirits of God. This is not a deep teaching that we're going on. This is not a deep dive. This is just an extension of the spirit realm. Do you want to jump into that?

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Um, this revelation was given to you, baby.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

Okay. You're just gonna just give it to you. Throw me out there. Okay. Because you was just flowing early, just you were just flowing. I was gonna get you a um a pulpit.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

I know you're not talking, cuz you was doing the same thing last episode.

SPEAKER_07 43:59

I thought you was like, Yeah. The Bible says. I'm not even the Bible says.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

I could use some water though.

SPEAKER_07 44:09

I'm hungry. But we're gonna keep going. I could use some water too. You could keep going. Yeah. So the seven spirits of God, um, Isaiah 11, verse 1. Jesus. Jesus. Amen, sister. My wife is hungry, which is why. Yeah. Uh Isaiah 11, verse 1 through 2. You want me to read that, or you want to?

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 44:46

Gotta clear my throat.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

You said Isaiah.

SPEAKER_07 44:50

Mm-hmm. Chapter 11, verse 1 through 2. And we read some of this last week, too.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Okay. Out of the stump of David's family will grow a shoot. Yes, a new branch bearing fruit from the old root, and the spirit of the Lord will rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

SPEAKER_07 45:20

And this is what the Bible refers to, because it touched on it in Revelations uh chapter one.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Yeah, this is like a foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_07 45:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

It says it, how many times does it say these spirits in the Bible?

SPEAKER_07 45:32

Um, a couple of a few times. I know it addresses it in Revelations chapter one, verse four-two.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Um Paul talk about them as well.

SPEAKER_07 45:42

I don't think so. And it says the this letter is from John to the seven churches in the province of Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, from the sevenfold spirit before his throne and from Jesus Christ. So it talks about the spirit, the sevenfold spirit there. You have Revelation three and one that discusses it. You have Revelations four and five. And in those instances, it's just consistently talking about the sevenfold spirits. And those are the sevenfold spirits of God. And so it's just consistently in sevenfold spirit, sevenfold spirit. So you have the spirit of the Lord, you have the spirit of wisdom, you have the spirit of understanding, you have the spirit of counsel, you have the spirit of might, you have the spirit of knowledge, and you have the spirit of the fear of the Lord, right? So when you think of the spirit of the Lord, it's God's manifested presence or anointing. The spirit of wisdom is divine strategy and insight. The spirit of understanding is revelation, which is very important, and comprehension of mysteries. The spirit of counsel is guidance and divine direction. The spirit of might is power and supernatural strength. The spirit of knowledge is discernment and awareness of divine realities. The spirit of the fear of the Lord is reverence and holy submission. I would say many of us struggle with the spirit of the fear of the Lord. And I think that's very important to have that. Right? Um my thought would be what Paul said, right? Praying that God will provide you these seven spirits. You know, because different people operate within different ones. You have people that, you know, I think of, for example, Solomon. Solomon had the spirit of wisdom.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:43

It was something that was given to him by God. Uh, we think of Samson. Samson had the spirit of might. Um Solomon also had the spirit of counsel, right? Um we could probably say that Solomon also had the spirit of understanding.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:01

That kind of fell in with the spirit of wisdom. And so I think these are really important. I know for me personally, I've seen myself operate within the spirit of understanding, um, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of knowledge. And I know the spirit of the fear of the Lord is something that's I I see manifest itself within me, where there is a reverence and holy submission to God. Um, what about yourself? What do you recognize any of these spirits at work within you being manifested?

SPEAKER_03 48:40

Oh no, absolutely. Because before I was I had the opposite. Um I was just thinking about, I was like, okay, if these are all the spirits of the Lord, right? If these are all spirits and manifestations of the Holy Spirit, what about the opposite? Because I think a lot of times people don't recognize that these emotions and characteristics of people, while they are natural, they're also spiritual, right? And so those are things that you also have authority over or to you you're able to speak to, just like we're able to decree or ask the Lord to give us, you know, the spirit of wisdom, spirit of understanding, um, and ask for the Holy Spirit to, you know, reveal these things to us. You can also ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the opposite in other people. So I was just, I was just looking it up, and I'm like, okay, um Satan would just have the opposite. So the spirit of wisdom, you would be, there's a spirit of confusion, there's a spirit of foolishness, which talks about in the Bible Proverbs, uh, and in First Corinthians. The spirit of understanding would be a spirit of deception or spirit of blindness. You know, there's a false spirit going out. Then you have a spirit of counsel. You have people who give bad counsel, you have divine, like diviners, you know, they give divination divination, they give bad counsel, right? That's a that's a spirit. You can speak to it. You have then you have a spirit of knowledge, which is just ignorance and just false lies, deceit, and then um the spirit of might, which is the opposite of that, a spirit of fear. God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, right?

SPEAKER_07 50:23

What's that, Timothy?

SPEAKER_03 50:24

It's um, yeah, uh 2 Timothy verse 7. He hasn't given us a spirit spirit of fear, but of might in a sound mind in a sound in a sound mind, right? And so we have to really, really like take into account that everything that you see is it's it's everything in the natural is manifested from the spirit. That doesn't hold that doesn't take away the accountability of people and their consequences, but it's just recognizing that, okay, I see what's operating in you, and I'm not going to, you know, um, I'm not going to engage. Like, cause you can't negotiate with spirits, demons.

SPEAKER_07 51:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

You know? It is but then it's also recognizing who's with God, like who, you know, who has the Holy Spirit and then who isn't operating in the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_07 51:15

Well, it's a reminder that, um, excuse my voice, I need some more or something. It's a reminder that the enemy, and we we touched on this in the previous episode, that the enemy is obsessed with having the power that God has. And as we dug into the enemy's position in heaven, um the Bible lets us know that he was tasked with what? Um uh protecting the presence of God.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

Right.

SPEAKER_07 51:53

Protecting the glory of God. So because of the enemy's position, what was he? Was he a seraphim?

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Uh he was a uh cherubim.

SPEAKER_07 52:03

He was a cherubim?

SPEAKER_01 52:04

I believe.

SPEAKER_07 52:05

Um let me see. Um bear with me, everyone. Because I know he carried he was Yeah, he was a cherubim. He was a cherubim and he he protected the glory in the presence of God.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

Yeah, he should have had the fear of the Lord.

Debunking “Satan Was Worship Leader”

SPEAKER_07 52:29

And so the thing about it is that he was close to the glory in the presence of God. So he, I'm sure, was able to gain an understanding of how the kingdom of God works because of his close proximity, right? And so we have to remember that he has this desire and he has built his quote unquote kingdom to mimic the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Yeah. I mean, he was one of the highest ranking, he's one of the highest ranking angels because they're the only ones that surround the throne.

SPEAKER_07 53:02

Exactly. In spite of people trying to say that he was an angel of worship. He was not.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

We are all worship leaders.

SPEAKER_07 53:11

But he was not, he was not, that was not his position.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

His position.

SPEAKER_07 53:17

And and and you can find this in the scripture. His position was to protect the glory of God. If you dig in and you do research, his position was actually to protect the glory of God. And this is just one of those things that has been passed down in church because it sounds good to say, oh, then the music out here is this is the main goal of music.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Because he was created with musical instruments. We all have musical instruments. I have an esophagus, I have a throat, I can sing, you know? Like I have I have a windpipe.

SPEAKER_07 53:51

Well, see.

SPEAKER_03 53:52

Well, every everything is created to worship the Lord.

SPEAKER_07 53:57

And as we're speaking, I'm I'm I'm looking into some stuff so I can give it to you.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Yeah, no, everything was created to worship the Lord, you know.

SPEAKER_07 54:06

So, um, and this is Ezekiel 1, 4 through 14, or Ezekiel 10, verse 1 through 22, right? This is um, let's go to Ezekiel 1 verse 6 through 7 real quick. And we um, I know we're going off a little bit, but I'll try to do better because we've been going off a lot today.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Ezekiel what?

SPEAKER_07 54:32

Uh verse or chapter 1, verse 6 through 7. Right? Um, and this is talking about the cherubim. Uh it says that uh let's see, let's go to verse 4. As I looked, I saw a great storm coming from the north, driving before it a huge cloud that flashed with lightning and shone with brilliant light. There was fire inside the cloud, and in the middle of the fire glowed something like gleaming amber. From the center of the cloud came four living beings that looked human, except that each had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight and their feet had hooves like those of a calf, and shone like burn um burnished bronze. Under each of their four wings I could see human hands. So each of the four beings had four faces and four wings. The wings of each living being touched the wings of the beings in beside it. Uh, each one moved straight forward in any direction without turning around. And it says, verse 10, it's key. Each had a human face in the front, the face of a lion on the right side, the face of an ox on the left side, and the face of an eagle at the back. I would say that we need to um look at and understand who Satan really was in heaven. Because we are confused to, and prayerfully at some point we can get into what those faces represent. But um, if I can leave you with anything, I would just say that Satan was not the minister of music, he was one of the highest ranking angels in heaven, and one of his primary responsibilities was to guard the the the glory of God, the presence of God.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Because in nowhere does it say that he is.

SPEAKER_07 56:32

No.

SPEAKER_03 56:35

So but we uh But I I did want to pull up why people where it is.

SPEAKER_07 56:42

Where they where they confuse it, the scripture that they use to confuse it because of the pipes.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Yeah, which is Ezekiel twenty-eight uh thirteen through fourteen.

SPEAKER_07 57:10

Stomach it's stomach it right now.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

It says You were in Eden, the garden of God, your clothing was adorned with every precious stone, red carnarc carnelian, pale green paridot, um, white moonstone, blue green beryl, onyx, green jasper, blue lapis, lazuli, and turquoise and emerald, all beautifully crafted for you and set in the finest gold. They were given to you on the day you were created. I ordained and anointed you as the mighty angelic guardian. You'd have access to the holy mountain of God and walked among the stones of fire. Well, that doesn't say anything. I think it's is it in New King James Version?

SPEAKER_07 58:08

It probably is. It is. You have to read it from the New King James Version, I believe.

Worship, Music, And Church Infiltration

SPEAKER_03 58:16

Yes, New King James Version. It says I'm not I'm just gonna skip all that. It it it listed all the the jewels that he was given, but it says the workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.

SPEAKER_07 58:37

And what verse is that?

SPEAKER_03 58:39

It's 13.

SPEAKER_07 58:40

Okay. And that's the verse that they use to justify stating that Jesus um Jesus, that the enemy was uh an angel that was over worship, which is not accurate. He wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

No, he was just given uh timbrels and pipes, just like we are given timbrels and pipes.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

To worship.

SPEAKER_07 59:01

I mean he had the face of a man, that don't mean that he was a man. Not trying to be funny. I think I think we have to we have to uh just be careful, right? Because um there's a lot of traditions and things that were passed on that's not necessarily accurate, that's not necessarily biblical. Uh it it's stuff that was created because the church despised certain genres of music. And part of their ways of justifying and calling it demonic was that it was the easier way for them to approach it and saying, hey, well, you know, the enemy was the angel of, he was the he was over worship in heaven, and this is why you have all of this music that's being played, sorry about that, that's being played that should not be being played. And it's like, no. I mean, yes, there's an I I think it's so simple, it's not as convoluted as they make it, right? When you think of worship, it it boils down. To the fact that the enemy desires to mimic the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:04

And within the kingdom of God, you have people and you have angels that worship God. And you have them singing songs to God. And when you go to church, you have worship that takes place. You sing songs where you are worshiping and you're reverencing God. Well, the same things, the same thing goes on in the world. You have people that create songs and do music that worship and glorify self, that worship and glorify perversion, that worship and glorify uh the works of the flesh. And so they're technically worship leaders, just like you have quote unquote worship leaders in the church. It's as simple as that. It's not so convoluted.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Right. And so, like even uh like Isaiah 14, 11 through 14 talks about the fall of Lucifer. And verse 11 says, Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, and the sound of your string instruments, the maggot is spread under you and worms cover you. The sound of your stringed instruments, meaning your your worship, you wanted to worship, you wanted worship. And they and you fell instead of giving worship, you know, it was the sound of your strings, not the strings that God gave you to worship him, but because of your worship of yourself, you wanted to be exalted above God.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:35

Yes. And so it's just really important to understand that we we I guess we talk about this all the time. We have to be careful. I think the I don't know how many times we can say the danger is that it's so easy to recognize it when it's like outright distinctively the world. It's so easy to recognize that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:57

That it's like quote unquote demonic or it's something of a working of the enemy, like certain artists, certain songs that they do. I think it's more challenging to recognize when it's in the church. And I think we we talk about this all the time. We fail to realize that there are quote unquote worship leaders in the church that's been infiltrated by the enemy, that create worship songs that are very selfish, that create worship that is very self-centered, self-exaltation. Gospel songs out here that create songs that are selfish. Christian hip-hop artists that create songs that are selfish. And so we have to just be really careful because they're full of lies.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

Exactly. Full of false things, deceitful teachers and pastors out here that's doing the same thing. God counsel.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:44

Exactly. They're operating from the place of their flesh. They're operating, showcasing us who their real father is. We talk about this all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:52

Antichrist.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:53

Antichrist, they would tell you that what is good is is is wicked and what is wicked is good. So the entire podcast, even as we're in at now in season two, we're just really trying to encourage everyone to gain an understanding of who God is so you don't be led astray.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

And not just listening to us because you can, but listening. What do you think about this, God? Or if you Or can you show me what it is, what is it that they're saying?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:28

There are some that disagree with us. And my my thing would say, my thing I would say is take that back to God. We're not here to argue with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:35

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:36

Take it back to God because I'm only giving you what was given to me. And I stand firm on the things that God has given us. And so I would say, if you have any type of discrepancies, present it to the Father and say, Hey, why do I feel this way? I think you said that before. Why do I feel this way? Why is this bothering me the way it's bothering me? Why is this making me feel this way?

Discernment, Offense, And Spiritual Vs Natural

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

I feel uncomfortable. I feel offended. Is this conviction? Is this right? Am I it is this because people a lot of people say, I didn't like the way that they said this. It felt bad in my spirit. And and we'll be looking like, no. Or like even that's the spirit of God that's speaking.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:14

Or even like with previous episodes where we're just having normal interaction and people become offended. And it's like, you gotta prey on that because we not offended. We're fine. So why aren't you fine? And you try to just in general, and I think it's really important in life in general, don't be quick to sit there and say it's that person. Make sure it's not you before, you know, you assume that it's that person. Or make sure, you know, there's not something that you're missing, or make sure you're not dealing with conviction, or you're not dealing with unresolved trauma or unresolved hurt.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:51

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:51

Or a space that you need to be healed in.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

Right. Or if it's something that we presented, you know, that you're not, that while you have your own thoughts, remember that it's you your thoughts are influenced.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:05

And you have to always make sure as you're listening to everything, you are tapped into the spirit. You know, it you know, you have to receive it by the spirit of God. Because, you know, the Bible lets us know, and I think you read that last week, possibly, or the week before at some point, you did read to them where the scripture talked about how you can't, Paul was talking about in so many words, you can't judge something that's by the spirit from a natural perspective. You can't approach something from a natural perspective that's of the spirit.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

Yeah, and we get that a lot. So we talk about spiritual things, and people try and come at us with with examples or something in the natural, and we're like, it doesn't make any sense what you're saying. And they get so upset, and it's like, I'm sorry, I can't explain this to you in any way because we're talking about two totally different things.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:03

Well, even Jesus talked about that when he was um when he was dealing with Nicodemus, right? Saying that you essentially he was saying to Nicodemus, how can you understand something that's of the spirit from a fleshly perspective?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:16

And even when I explain to you stuff unnatural, you still don't understand because the natural is influenced by the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:23

Exactly. And so my voice is not gonna go. Um I believe when we talk about or when we discuss the seven spirits of God, right? Just remember that's that comes into play when you're operating in a higher realm of the spirit, you know? Um there are uh gifts that God has placed in us that we automatically have. Um yet I don't know, it's this idea that as soon as we come to God, we just we hear. There's no work that's required, there's nothing that's required of us. We don't have to do life with Jesus, we don't have to let go of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

We wash all our sins away. And we just perfectly forgiven. We perfect and we don't gotta worry about nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:11

We don't gotta do nothing. We can worry about nothing. We can cast out demons, we can heal the sick, we can do all of these things.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

And it's not they don't even believe they gotta do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:19

Yeah. Well, but the thing is, it's a process, right? There's you have, and we talked about this last week, you have to walk with Jesus, you have to do life with God, and as you do that, he begins to unlock things in you and he began to take you to higher levels and higher places within the spirit, and now you're able to operate in certain things.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:40

Yeah, now you're able to go out and do those things. That's why when the disciples came back, they're like, Jesus, we were able to do all of this. And he was like, uh yeah, because I told you to go. I I was I was training you up so that when you do get to these places, you could do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:59

And so it's just understanding that there's a training process you have to go through. You got to go through boot camp. You don't, you know, it ain't fun. Even in the military, they don't just put them soldiers out there. No. You go through boot camp and then for you to get well previously, I don't know what they're doing now, but previously for you to get to certain rankings within the military, you had to prove yourself and you had to go through certain standards to get to those places of being a two-star general or three-star general or four-star general.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

And it's like, yes, we can explain that in the natural, but y'all, it's like people still don't get it that it's still spiritual. It's it's it's the exact, it's just a mirror. It's literally just a mirror. It's the same operating system, it's the same legal system, it's just spiritual. You don't, you're you're a soldier for the Lord. You're a soldier, and we talk about this all the time. You have to give training.

Abide, Train, And Advance With Jesus

SPEAKER_07 1:08:55

You gotta go through training. And so John 15, 4 through 5 is a good way to end this. Um and we've read this scripture before, and it's the scripture that touches on abiding in him. And what 15 verse 4 through 5 says is remain in me, and I will remain in you, for a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine. And you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me. And so New King James Version says, Abide in me, and I in you from without me, ye can do nothing. I believe that's New King or King James, right? And so true operation in the spirit flows not from ambition, right? But from abiding. You have to abide. And relationship grants access. And not all who have power have permission. And so intimacy ensures access without backlash. We have to get to a place, and we've touched on this in a previous episode, of abiding in him and understand the importance of relationship. And you wanna you wanna uh bring this to an end by reading uh the summary of the principle. Segment seven, you want to go in and end us with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

So access to the spirit realm is a matter of being in relationship and abiding in Christ, right? Um it's not something that you can it's not it's it's not something you can perform, or you it's not something you can fake. You know, there are real consequences to doing that. And so there's an order. If not, there'll be it's gonna be chaos. Like I said, there's consequences to your actions, whether you're you're in the spirit realm abiding in Christ, or you're in the spirit realm abiding in Satan and his kingdom. But the only legal way to enter the spirit realm is through Christ Jesus. Just because you can do it doesn't mean that you shouldn't recommend it. Without Christ. Because you listen to all these testimonies of ex-witches, ex-warlocks, and people who are in the cult, and they be going through some stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:26

Yeah. They go through.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

They go through.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:28

Because they get caught up in the things that they should not have gotten caught up in. And even after they give their lives to God, they still go through because there are consequences associated with the decisions that we made.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:39

Remember, this is a legal system. If I commit a crime, I still have to do the time.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:45

I don't think, well, we talked about this before. You can read the life of Paul, right? You can read Paul's conversion. Um, Paul persecuted the children of God, the followers of Christ, right? And even after Paul came into the faith, Jesus made it clear that he let Paul know the suffering that Paul would have to go through. This wasn't just normal suffering that Paul went through.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:13

Paul went through some stuff. And I believe Paul understood why he went through some of the stuff that he went through. Right. There are consequences associated with the decisions that we make, even when we come into the fold.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:29

You know, um, it's just the reality of what it is. And it's not stating that, oh, your sin has not been forgiven. Your sin has been forgiven, but there are still consequences associated with the decisions you made. If you as a husband or wife cheat on your spouse, God will forgive you for what you've done, but the consequence of that could be your spouse leaving you.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:51

And they have every right to leave you. You can't say that, oh, you are doing something wrong or whatever the case may be. No, there's that's the consequence. And they could walk in forgiveness as they choose to walk away from you. These are just consequences associated with the decisions that we make, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:10

Right. Like the thief that was on the cross.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:13

He was loud, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

With Jesus. He was forgiven, but he was still on that cross.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:18

He still died. Didn't he still died on the cross?

Consequences, Mercy, And Closing Prayer

SPEAKER_07 1:13:21

Yes. And so David had relations with Bathsheba and had a whole family line was lost a child that they uh Yeah, his child was taken from him. Went through stuff with his family line.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

There's consequences.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:38

And I don't know why people, and we gotta go, but I don't know why people keep using David as a justification of their immorality. It's just weird. I don't understand it when the Bible tells us that we're supposed to be a reflection of Christ. They always use David, yet they forget the Bible says that David was a man after God's own heart. And it was not because God was uh co-signing on his imperfections, it was because when David recognized that he was doing stuff wrong, he turned away from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

Right, he didn't do it again.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:06

He turned away from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

He recognized that, oh, this is really wrong. I should have not I shouldn't have done this at all.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:13

Exactly. Exactly. I am so sorry. But we are going to end here so we can put this stuff up and get something to eat. Would you like to end us out?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

Sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:26

What do you have to say for the people, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:32

No. No, I don't. We thank you guys for listening, tuning in with us, stinking by us, hearing what the Lord has to say. It's not by our mind. No, it's by his, it's not by our thoughts and revelation. It's by his, what he's giving to us. Also the experiences that we have had with the Lord. And so we just thank you. Yes. And we pray that this podcast will continue to be a blessing to you, and then any other endeavor that God has given us to give to everyone else.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:16

Amen to that. So until next time, we we love you, we appreciate you. Um, and we will see you on next week's episode, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:27

And we're so sorry. We try to get it together.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:30

At the very least, we try to make sure we post every two weeks, but we're gonna do better.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:36

So to God be the glory, just keep us in your prayers.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:39

Yes. Um guys, we will keep you in ours.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:42

Yes. And we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

Bye.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:45

Bye.