Recovering From A Crushed Soul

A crushed soul doesn’t always look dramatic. Sometimes it looks like quiet exhaustion, a heavy chest, emotional numbness, or the urge to run from anything that feels too costly. We sit with one of the most human moments in Scripture, Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, and we ask what it means that He said His soul was “crushed with grief to the point of death.” If Jesus faced that kind of anguish while still walking in perfect obedience, what does that teach us about our own suffering, grief, and spiritual fatigue?

We talk through the difference between the soul and the spirit and why so many believers love God spiritually while still feeling wounded internally. The soul wants control, comfort, and self-preservation. The Spirit of God calls us to surrender, trust, obedience, and transformation. That creates a junction, a crossroads where we have to decide what will lead our lives. We also unpack grief in a broader way: not only loss of people, but loss of dreams, seasons, identity, and the painful process of dying to self. Following Jesus includes daily surrender, and salvation is not just receiving a new life, it’s letting go of the old one.

From there, we get practical. We share what crushing can expose, including pride, fear, self-reliance, idols, and unhealed trauma, and we connect it to Scripture like 2 Corinthians 1:8–10 and Romans 12:1–2 on renewing the mind. We also lay out a simple recovery roadmap: acknowledge what you feel, return to prayer, process pain in God’s presence, submit your will, and keep moving forward even when it’s uncomfortable.

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Transcript

Welcome, Prayer, And Focus

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith, where together we explore the importance of having a relationship with God and how that relationship with God can impact the relationship you have with others. I'm your host, Walter. I'm joined here alongside my lovely wife.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Shanel.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

This is episode 11.

unknown 0:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Um, how do we start these episodes off? We start them off in prayer. I prayed last time. So, babe, can you open us up in prayer, please?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Father God, we thank you for this day. We thank you for your love, your grace, and your mercy. We thank you, Father God, for allowing us to be vessels for you to spread the good news. We speak against the plans of the enemy and that no weapon formed against us and this podcast shall prosper. And those who are listening, we thank you, Father God, for covering them. We thank you, Father God, for covering their ear gates and their eye gates, Father God. We thank you, Father God, for surrounding them even right now. We thank you for opening up their eyes and their ears to hear and receive what it is that you have to say today or tonight. In the mighty name of Jesus we pray. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Amen. Actually, this morning. Um, let's see. So I think we've said this so many times. We are believers, so we always like to open this up in prayer. This is episode 11. What? Season two. What's wrong? Oh. You got your thing in the front?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Yeah.

unknown 1:37

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

So this is episode uh 11, season two. Um, I will let my wife get adjusted. We have this at the title of the show. This week's episode. You typically say it.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Okay.

Where “Crushed Soul” Comes From

SPEAKER_01 2:00

It is recovering from a crushed soul.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

We're gonna wait because the camera's gonna be put back on her and she's not ready yet. So as she tried to get her headphones together. Okay, what's this week's title?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Recovering from a crushed soul.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Okay, recovering from a crushed soul. So I thought at first we were gonna discuss um surrender, total surrender, but I believe that was for us specifically. And so we are now in a space where I think night before last, or last night actually, um, as I was praying on like, okay, God, is this what you want us to discuss? Because I wasn't really getting anything. And then I uh the scripture from Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane came to mind. And I heard recovering from a crushed soul, like having a crushed soul. When you read the scripture, it touches on that. So that's where this came from.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

What's came from what'd you say?

SPEAKER_00 3:24

This is what was given to me last night to talk about to discuss. Because the scripture with Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane came to mind. And with the specific part of him saying that his his soul was crushed. So yeah. So I guess we'll get started. When you think of recovering from a crushed soul, what comes to mind with you?

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Recovering from a crushed soul, or a crushed soul. Right, you're asking me, what do I think a crushed soul is? It is a crushed soul. Grief. Soul, so let's define what is your soul. Your soul is composed of your will, your emotions, and your mind. So essentially, in your your will is crushed. What I want is done. How I feel, it's over.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

So it's death.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

So essentially a crushed soul is the condition of a person whose emotions are overwhelmed, right? And it, you know, we know the soul, like you say, this is the will, the mind, the emotions. Um, it's also a mind that is burdened, it's a will that is exhausted. And so it's interesting because

Jesus In Gethsemane And Grief

SPEAKER_00 5:05

in the scripture, when we look at this with Matthew 26, verse 36 through 46, and we can read that real quick in LT. Um, it says that then Jesus went with them to the olive grove called Gethsemane, and he said, Sit here a while, sit here while I go there to pray, over there to pray. He took Peter and Zebedee's two sons, James and John, and he became anguished and distressed. He told them, My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me. He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, My father, if it is possible that this cup of suffering be taken away from me, yet I want your will to be done, not mine. Then he returned to the disciples and found them asleep. He said to Peter, Couldn't you watch with me even one hour? Keep watching, pray so that you will not give in to temptation, for the spirit is willing, but the body is weak. Then Jesus left them a second time and prayed, My Father, if this cup cannot be taken away, unless I drink it, your will be done. When he returned to them again, he found them sleeping, for they couldn't keep their eyes open. So he went to pray a third time, saying the same thing again. Then he came to the disciples and said, Go ahead and sleep, have your rest, but look, the time has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of the sinners. Up, let's be going. Look, my betrayer is here. So Jesus talked about his soul being crushed with grief to the point of death. Which is interesting. An interesting way to put it. And so one of the things that's interesting here is what that many people love God spiritually, yet their soul is wounded, fractured, weary, or crushed, right? And so the reality is you can be saved and still battling internally. You can know the truth spiritually while your soul struggles emotionally. And Jesus just provided us with the perfect example and showed us what a crushed soul looks like. And it's really just battling with the will of God and what you're having to um, what Jesus was going to have to having to take upon his back the weight of the world, the sins of the world. It was it was a weighty thing that he had to carry out that God had called him to. And so in the scripture, right, we know that Jesus was sorrowful, he was troubled, he was crushed with grief. Um, and he was really struggling with what he was gonna have to do as far as that cross goes. And what he was gonna have to be, what he was gonna, what his soul was struggling with, his motions, his will was struggling with the fact that he was about to have to carry out something so great. Not to mention, you you brought a good point up before, but he also had to deal with the fact that God himself was gonna turn his back on him. So he was gonna be alone throughout this process. Not even his father, because he was taken upon the sins of the world. And we know if God looks upon sin, he he's holy. He destroys it. So something interesting here, right? His soul understood the suffering, right? But the spirit understood the assignment. His soul understood the suffering, but his spirit understood the assignment. And that's something that we can apply in everyday life. When we're looking at it from a natural perspective, we just see the suffering. We see the pain. But when you're looking at it from a spiritual perspective, you see that there's an assignment that's attached to what you have to do and what you have to carry out. And so Jesus knew, of course, that he would bear the sins of the world, he knew he would experience rejection, endure suffering, become sin, though he never sinned. And what we when we're looking at this and we're reading these scriptures in this passage, right, we're seeing a tension between the soul and the spirit, and human emotions versus divine obedience, and personal desire versus God's will. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Um I think that

Soul Versus Spirit At The Crossroad

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Jesus was grieved very much so because yes, his will was being torn. He was in a space where most of us are in life. We are at this tug war with God and what it is that he is wanting to do or is allowing to happen, um, because it's what he wants, and he's God, so he could do what he wants. And he knows best, and he knows best, and sometimes people do things and there's consequences for those said things, and we just have to accept that, right? And so when Jesus is saying that he's crushed with grief in his soul, it means he has to literally die to his will, to what he's feeling. He's anguished, right? So that means he is extremely overwhelmed, he is sorrowful, extremely sorrowful, um, saddened, burdened. Um, he feels icky on the inside. Icky, icky, icky about what's about to happen. But nevertheless, God's will will be done, um, and not his. And I think we battle with that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Yeah, he he provided the example of it was a very human moment, right? Because we know that Jesus took flesh form, so he was all God and he was all man as well. And so he provided uh a roadmap on how to deal with these instances in our lives where it was through prayer, it was through relationship, him going to the Father. Yet in the end, um, it really was also a process of him, and I'm I may be jumping ahead in my notes, it was a process of him taking his soul and basically forcing his soul to align with the will of God. And so uh for many of us, we're so used to going through life, being led by our soul, being led by our own will, by our own emotions. And when you come into the kingdom and you give your life to God, and you go through this entire process of uh sanctification, um, this process of dying to self, this wilderness experience, this process of your mind being renewed, uh, your soul being regenerated. Uh, when you go through that process, it's a situation where you are learning now not to be led by your soul, yet to allow the spirit to lead you. And so it's a very painful process when your worldview is wrapped around and has been built around you being able to do what you want to do based upon how you feel. And then in decisions that you make in life or the decisions that we make in life, it has to be based upon how you feel. And it's very natural for it to be based upon how you feel, but that's not kingdom. And so there's a shift to where how you approach things, you approach it from the perspective of the spirit leading. And while your feelings are real and they're there, your feelings should not be what lead you throughout life. Your desires should not be what lead you throughout life. You should want what God wants, desire what you desire. And so, in this instance, you know, and then one of the things that was coming to me is a junction, right? Uh Jesus was at a uh a crossroad, right? A place where directions must be chosen. And so it was almost like one could say, like roads intersecting. And he was at this space where a decision had to be made, where either you were going to continue on the way of choosing the will of God, or you was going to choose to go with your flesh. And so we always find ourselves in different areas in different parts of our lives at a crossroad, at a junction where we have to decide whether we are going to be obedient to the Father or whether we are going to just do what we want to do. And the enemy is always pushing for us to choose, quote unquote, our own will over the will of the Father, even though the Father knows best. So from a spiritual perspective, like I said, every believer reaches a moment of spiritual junction, uh, a place where you got to decide whether you're going to follow the will of God or whether you're going to follow your own, uh, whether you're going to follow the spirit leading, the spirit of God leading, or your soul. And this is interesting because it's because the soul often says, What? Protect yourself. It's all about self. We have all of these uh gurus now that's telling you that it's important to have self-love and to be about self and to do what's best for self. Um, sometimes it will tell you to run. Sometimes it will tell you to quit. Your soul will tell you to be comfortable, stay comfortable, hold on to control, right? But when you think of the Spirit of God, it calls us to what? Surrender, which is very challenging. It calls us to trust in God, have faith in God, which is huge. It calls us to be obedient to God, and it calls for transformation to take place. So, you know, like one of the things that the father was dealing with me before is it places you in this position where you have to be, you have to become comfortable with being uncomfortable. And that's those things. Surrender is surrendering to the will of the Father is uncomfortable. Trusting in the Father, trusting in what you can't see with your natural eyes is an uncomfortable thing. Being obedient even when it doesn't make sense is an uncomfortable thing. Going through the process of transformation is a very uncomfortable thing. So, what are your thoughts with all of that?

Grief, Separation, And Spiritual Death]

SPEAKER_00 17:03

You're being quiet over there.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Yeah, I'm being quiet.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Um, mainly because, you know, I have to talk about grief. And so I'm trying to not overshare.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

But are we approaching grief? Are you going to be approaching grief from the same perspective as this? Because there's different forms of grief.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yes, there are different forms of things.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

And there's different instances of grief, like grief from losing a loved one.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah. Um, or there's we all make decisions based out of our own trauma. And people carry around grief all the time. They just don't know it. Because we're dying, something's dying every day, whether it's a dream, a person, a place, a thing, um, you know, something that you thought of and it didn't happen. Um, but yes, we're talking about here right now on on this podcast, in this moment on this episode, we're talking about a spiritual death.

unknown 18:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

So the whole purpose of watching or I guess reading, visualizing Jesus here on this mount, and in this place of or this junction, shall I say, um, where he is trying to wanting to please God, but also wanting to please his flesh, right? But the pleasing of the flesh is is no, I don't want to go through the suffering, the suffering part, but that's not even the worst. No, the worst is the worst is being cut off from God, which is a spiritual death, which is why his soul was completely crushed because it's like God's not gonna be there for me.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

My father.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

My father is going to completely abandon me.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

He has to.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

And what happened in the very beginning in Genesis? Extremely troubling, right? A separation happened and it caused deep anguish, yeah, sorrow.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

And then the separation had to happen again in order to restore the relationship.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Exactly. But then it's just a example of how we're supposed to continue to keep living. Because when G if Jesus wouldn't have, you know, given up his will, right? If he would have just did what he wanted to do, obviously we don't know what would have happened, but looking from Genesis.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

There was no option for him to do what he wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

And because there that in order to restore our relationship with God, it's something that he had to do.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

He had to give up his life.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Because he loved us so much, and because God loves us so much, it's something that it was inevitable.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Well, only Jesus knows this, and and I would I would be interested to question, I would I would be interested in questioning him about this if given the opportunity, you know, the whole thing went, whether you would want to have what, I think, a billion dollars or something crazy like that, or 15 minutes with Jesus. And I'm like, give me 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Like, give me actually 15 minutes to just talk to him.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Because we know that, you know, 15 minutes could feel like an eternity.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

50 years.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

And so, but I would be interested in knowing whether this was something that Jesus allowed himself to go through to provide an example to us on how to deal with these instances. Because the entire time throughout the gospel, he knew he was gonna have to die. And he knew what he was gonna have to go through. And so I'm I'm just questioning. I'm not saying it's the case.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I just but it's just really to tie everything up, right? Because we're talking about a man that never sinned ever. We're talking about one that was consistently speaking of what took place, what was gonna have to take place. And even at instances like when you look at um when his friend died, or Lazarus, that he forsaken his own will in order to submit to the will of the Father, allowing him to die before he went and did what he needed to do to bring him back, right? And so we saw examples before of Jesus submitting to the will of the Father over his own will, even when it made him uncomfortable. Now, yet this one is the greatest example because of the amount of trauma and the amount of suffering that he was going to have to go through. And it's just really having an understanding that only Jesus could have gone through that because any other man in that position would have died because of the like way prior to the cross.

The Cost Of Obedience And Suffering

SPEAKER_00 22:30

When you think of the beating, the lashes, all of the trauma that he took, he was beat even before he was taken to the Romans. They beat him the night before they took him to the Romans, then took him to the Romans, then he was beat again with the whip. And then when you look into the type of whips that they used, it would literally tear his skin. It would tear away his flesh.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

So it was great and a great amount of trauma. And there is debate on how many times he how many lashes he received. Many would say he received 39 lashes because of the prophecy foretold, I believe, in the book of Isaiah, if I'm not mistaken. Um then there's others that say they don't know how many lashes he took. But we know he took a quite a few number of lashes, and it wasn't it was meant to torture him, right? Then they took a thorn, a thorn, uh, a crown made out of thorn, and they drove it into his head, right? So we're talking about a great amount of suffering that he went through, um, including having nails driven through his skin. I don't know if it made bone contact or what took place, right? When they did it, but this is great pain and the weight of his body being on those nails. Um we're talking about trauma that anybody else would have died.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah. But he was in God's will. He was in his perfect will, and so there was grace there to go through it. There was grace to go through it. Um, and I think the point of all of this is to remind ourselves that we have to continually die to ourselves so that we can keep our connection with God.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

It's because when we start to do things that we want to do because it looks good, because it feels good, like Eve, she saw that app, or the the fruit. It looked good to her eye, it was pleasing, although she didn't know the word, right? She didn't know God's word, what God's plan, what God's will was, it was misquoted, right? But Jesus knew he knew exactly what God's plan was, he knew exactly what God wanted to do in his life, and what the consequences of not following said will would be. And so he had to continually keep dying to himself, and that is something that we struggle with day to day. So God has all these promises for us, and we're like, okay, well, God, I know this is what you promised me, but I know I have to do this, this, this, and this. But I don't really want to do that, that, and that, and that. And so when I don't want to do that, that, that, and that, I don't know how I'm supposed to get the promise. I don't know how I'm supposed to get to where God needs me to be. And then I get to complaining because I'm like, where, what is going on?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah, it's it's following Christ is just understanding that it's a it requires you daily surrendering your flesh. It's a daily crucifixion process that's taking place. There's gonna always be different instances in your life uh throughout the day, day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year, that you're gonna have to go through this process of dying to self again. And interestingly, the salvation is not only about receiving a new life, right? It's also about surrendering the old life. So for many of us, we want to receive this new life that comes with salvation, yet still hold on to the old life. And it's not in every area, it's just certain areas that we're comfortable in that we don't want to give to God. So it's like, I'll give this over to you because you know, I don't got a problem with that right there. But these things right here don't touch this. I want to keep my way of doing things within these particular areas, whether it be within relationships, which is where many fall short in, um, or finances, where your your career choices, things of that nature. We we don't like to money, we don't like to give that over to God. We like to hold on to that. But it's really about understanding that in order to receive the new life, you have to surrender the old life. There's no way around it. Without that, you're not going to receive. It's going to be this tug of war, or you would think that you're walking in this new creation, or you're, you know, you've been transformed, but you haven't because you're still doing the same thing. And so to, I think um we have to understand that it's a consistent war between the flesh and the spirit. Consistently. And we have to go through the process of um, you know, they you talk about what, doing like a spring cleaning. You multiple times throughout the year, you go and you do a deep cleaning in your house. But it's like, do we do a deep cleaning within our soul? Do we do a deep cleaning within our body from a spiritual perspective to make sure there's no areas in that in our soul or no areas within our mind or within our subconscious that got cobbed webs and old boxes and old things that connect us to previous lives and previous experiences that we need to surrender over to God. And for many of us, we have so much clutter inside.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Or poop.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

We need a detox, a spiritual detox.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

And so when you look at the Garden of Gethsemane, it makes it easier to understand that we all have those experiences. It makes it easier to understand that we have our own personal Garden of Gethsemane experiences, many of us on a day-to-day basis. Where you do feel like you're crushed and you feel like it's overwhelming. And they they don't tell you that salvation and giving your life to God, they make it sound like, oh, this is like sweet, this, all of these things. And it is that, yeah, there's also a it's a crushing that takes place. It's not easy, it's it's a challenge, it's it's uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

There is a peace that surpasses all understanding, and that is what that means.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Yeah, but you're still gonna go through stuff.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

You're gonna go through a ton of stuff. Yes, because the enemy wants you in his camp. And you just mad, and we are in a battle.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

And you've done a lot of things prior that you have to deal with the grace of God to help you walk through contracts that's been created and covenants that has to be broken. And once again, your mind has to be renewed. That's an uncomfortable process. That's a crushing process to have your mind renewed, to have your uh have everything shifted from where you're not relying on your soul, but you're relying on a spirit within, right? Your spirit that becomes intertwined with the spirit of God. Even when we think of the fruit of the spirit, one of the fruit of the spirit is what? Love. And so, even from that, and it will, you know, that's something that God was dealing with me on earlier on, was that I had to love from his spirit that was intertwined with my spirit and that I was loving from my soul. You can't love from your soul because your soul is unpredictable. And that's where you get people caught up in this stuff. Oh, today I feel like I love you, tomorrow I don't. No, love is a decision. I make a decision that I'm going to love you no matter what. You have to have a situation where you're being guided by the Spirit of God in every area and every part of your life. Because if not, you're just gonna, it's not gonna be good. So when we think of crushing, right?

What Crushing Exposes In Us

SPEAKER_00 31:00

What does crushing expose? What do you think crushing exposes? Without looking.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

What do I think crushing exposes? Um what does crushing expose? I guess I mean whatever your weaknesses are.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah, crushing exposes pride, self-reliance, fear, idols, a big one is unhealed wounds, trauma, right? False identities.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

But what does that look like? Like I like how does crushing expose that?

SPEAKER_00 31:47

So um I'm trying to give a think of an example. I guess earlier on, um, when I was going through my process with the wilderness experience, I told you when I I went to that moment in time where God broke my will. I felt something breaking me. And it was because there were dreams I was having about you and things that you were doing, and you were still just being able to live your life while God would not allow me to do what I wanted to do and was holding me accountable to the word that he spoke to me about us. And it was challenging because I'm like, either A, I don't want to be in a relationship at all, and I just wanted to be me and you, me and God, or B, let me choose who I want to be with. And because this don't make no sense. You're showing me all of these things that she's doing. I know that she's doing it because you're showing it to me. And um I'm having to go through this process. And so one night it was just a lot. Because God would, you know, have me go for drives. He'll tell me, go and do this, go and do that, go and do this. And um, I think one night I was going for a drive and I saw that you was gone. Like you weren't there. And I'm like, God, I'm tired of this. I don't want to, first of all, I don't want to live here no more. I want to be able to move. I don't want to do this no more. I don't have to do this. I can just be with you, et cetera, et cetera. And I got to a point to where it was so much trauma that I just felt something in me break. Because I'm like, okay, you know, I'm going back and forth with God. And I'm like, God, okay, I'm gonna do your will. You know, I don't like this, but I have to submit to your will. I have to submit to your will, and I felt something in me break. And I'm like, God, what is this? And he was like, I just broke your will. So there was a pride within me, right? Um, there was definitely a self-reliance, and then there was a mixture of unhealed wounds because of like past trauma, rejection that, you know, was bubbling up. Was bubbling up and that began with, you know, from a child. And so, with those things, all of that was stuff that had to be worked out in order to teach me to rely on God no matter what. And so that was a crushing moment in me. Um, I can't express how it felt. I can't express uh the emotions associated. And that's why I tell people, oh, I'm a prophet, I'm a prophet, I'm a prophet, or they want to be associated with being prophetic or whatever. And I'm like, you don't because you don't choose what you see. You see what the father allows you to see. And sometimes you see stuff that you don't want to see. And it's not easy to see. And you, it's hard for you to process through seeing. And that's what it was for me. I was seeing everything, and it was just a lot. So that's an opportunity or something to where um this endpoint being God often allows us to come to the end of ourselves so dependence can shift fully onto Him. And that was a moment when I came to the end of myself in that particular situation where I had to shift my dependence, and now I just relied and depended on him. And, you know, there was um, for example, and this won't make sense to other people, but whatever. It was something that took place. I forgot. No, that was something else, but okay. But that happened. And so um, with that being the case, I think I told this before, and I get I'll tell that a different time. But um example of this is 2 Corinthians 1, 8 through 10.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

What you was about to say?

SPEAKER_00 36:04

I was about to give an example, but it's fine. I'll do that some other time.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

You sure?

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Mm-hmm. So uh in 2 Corinthians 1, 8 through 10, right? And we know this scripture. Uh let me see. I don't feel like we have to read it. We can. I know we gotta be mindful of time. Everyone knows scripture, it's it's you should, it's new living translation that I'm reading from 2 Corinthians 1, starting at verse 8. It says, we think you ought to know, dear brothers and sisters, about the trouble we went through in the province of Asia. We were crushed and overwhelmed beyond our ability to endure, and we thought we would never live through it. In fact, we expected to die. But as a result, we stopped relying on ourselves and learned to rely on only on God who raises the dead. And he did rescue us from mortal danger and he will rescue us again. We have placed our confidence in him and he will continue to rescue us. So it's just an example of basically understanding the importance. Paul went through this process of having to understand the importance of relying on God. He was going through so much. So a lot of times when you're going through this crushing process, it's teaching you to rely on God and it's strengthening your faith in relying on God. It's strengthening that face muscle, that faith muscle in knowing I have to rely on God. I have to submit to the will of God, even though I may not fully understand it, even though I may not fully comprehend it. Right? So you want to go through what a crushed soul feels like real quick?

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Yeah. Um, while you were saying that, I uh Donnie McClerklin came in my head.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Which one? Which song?

SPEAKER_01 37:52

After you've done all you can.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Stand.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Just stand.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Mm-hmm. Can't be like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

Yeah. You can't do anything else. You just have to stand.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

You're so exhausted, you're so tired, you're you're so heavily burdened, and that's what Jesus was just at that point. Understandably, he was at that point because of what he was facing, what he knew he was gonna face.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Yeah, well, if he knew also that if he didn't do it, we would be doomed.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

I think it's not even just us. Like Jesus doomed. Jesus going through what he went through, it shifted the entire universe.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Yes. Then the the entire world, the universe, every dimension, heaven and hell.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

It was all on his back. It was all on his back. It was not just about salvation, it was restoring what was broken in general, and everything was broken. It wasn't just Adam and Eve. Everything was broken. It was a universal break that took place.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

It was it's like what he did was like the Big Bang.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

Yeah, it was re- it's like resetting what took place from like we could never comprehend how deep it goes. So what is a uh, you know, what does a crushed soul feels like?

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Feel like it feels like exhaustion, it feels like grief, it feels like emotional numbness, confusion, fear, isolation, um, spiritual fatigue, feeling overwhelmed, feeling abandoned, feeling like you just can't continue, like you want to give up, um anguish, deep, deep anguish, uh, like Jesus experienced.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

And um that's what it feels like is unexplainable when when you're dealing with that, right? Grief. Well, it's just so many emotions that you're processing through at one time, processing through at one time. Um and so I think the key thing is though that Jesus still showed us in that instance, and sometimes we struggle with that ourselves in general, but the thing that Jesus did not do even in that moment, he didn't turn away from God. Him feeling the way he felt made him run to God, right? It made him run to him to seek clarity, to sleep to seek wisdom. And for many of us, when we go through this, we run away from God, which is very dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 40:53

Yeah, we choose other things to run to.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah. So when how do we get past this, right? Uh and and Jesus gave us an example of how, right? Fall

How To Recover Through Prayer

SPEAKER_00 41:10

asleep.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

No.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Okay. So um, Jesus did not suppress what he felt.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

I want to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Jesus did not suppress what he felt. He acknowledged the grief, and healing begins when honesty replaces performance, right? And then the other thing is um Jesus repeatedly returned to prayer. He processed the pain in the presence of the Father, which is what I was just talking about. Recovery from a crushed soul cannot happen apart from God's presence, right? And then a big thing too is he submitted to the will of God, not my will, but yours be done. Right? So deliverance is not always the removal of pressure, right? Sometimes healing begins with surrender, surrendering to the will of the Father, going through the suffering. Even if you don't take this, and we saw that with um Shrach, Meshach, and Abendigo when they was dealing with uh the king.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Um, and they stated that they believed that God would save them, but even if he did not save them, that they still was not gonna bow down to him, right? And so um, and then he continued forward, right? After prayer, he came alignment. After alignment came strength, after strength came obedience. Even after him praying, he he continued forward, even though it was a challenge and he's like, okay, I'm gonna go through and continue forward with doing this thing, which is what we saw towards the end when he went back to the disciples and like you're sleeping, but you know, the person that's betrayed me is coming now and he's bringing those that's gonna take me away. He accepted it and walked into it. So when you think about recovering, it requires surrender, it requires letting go of control, letting God lead. It requires dependence, trusting God when the soul feels weak, um, and then allowing God to heal our mindset and emotions. We got to go through the process of having our mind renewed, right? And this is a daily process. We we talked about that earlier, daily process in all different areas of our lives of completely surrendering to God over and over and over again, submitting to the will of God over and over and over again. Uh, this is there's gonna be different areas where we feel overwhelmed as we struggle with the will of God versus our own will, or what the world tells us to do versus how God tells us to move.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

So I think And you figure out what your will is, or what God's will for you is through communication.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

Relationship.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Through relationship, it's God, is this what you Want to happen? If this is what you want to happen, how do I move forward with this? If this is something that, if this was a God thing, how do I accept this as your ruling per se? Because you are the judge. And I think in part of renewing our minds and in part of us being new creation, we have to understand that God is the judge, right? And I always, you know, kind of look at it from a legal standpoint because when the judge says something, it just it just stands. It's finalized. It's finalizing. You kind of just gotta do it no matter what. Because if you don't, this you're gonna get fined, you're gonna get thrown in prison, you're gonna get thrown in jail, you're gonna something's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

And the beautiful thing is that so God is the father, God is the king, God is the judge. But the amazing thing, because we see in the system, especially here in America, that it's extremely corrupt.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

And when we are going before the father, the father is not corrupt. He's a just judge. Yes, right? That's the beautiful thing. So as you surrender to him, you're surrendering to a just judge, you're surrendering to a righteous judge, you're surrendering to a holy judge. Yeah, right. So you can trust his judgment, you can trust the decrees that he passed through.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Because he has, he's already had, he already has plans set in place for you. So when you're not following these plans, when you're not doing what he's already put in place for you, you're going against his will. And so you're going against his judgment.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Which is we we read the scripture all the time, Romans 12, verse 1 through 2, and it states that with God, what once your mind is renewed, it said, then you will learn to know the will of God for you, which is good, which is good and perfect and pleasing. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. That's the latter's part of verse 2. Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you by changing the way that you think, right? And so, or transform you into a new person by changing the way that you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect. So his will for you is good, pleasing, and perfect. And, you know, there's another scripture

Renewing Your Mind To Know God’s Will

SPEAKER_00 46:30

that talks about God having plans to prosper you, right? And but it starts with going through this process of surrendering to the will of God. And so, um We know it's not easy. Nah.

SPEAKER_01 46:42

We have to do it daily.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

Yeah. Daily, daily, daily. And it's just remembering like the soul was never meant to govern your life apart from God, right? That's part of the fall. That's part of being born into a world full of sin. Emotions make poor masters because they're consistently changing. Feelings change, right? God's truth does not change, it always remains the same. And a soul disconnected from God can lead into fear, lead into bitterness, lead into confusion, lead into self-preservation over obedience. And we can dig into Galatians 5 again and look into what the flesh produces. That's what the soul leads you to. You know, healing comes when the soul comes back under the submission to God. Healing starts with the soul being submitted to God, submitted to the Spirit of God. And so it's unfortunate, but we just have to remember that every single believer will encounter seasons where the soul feels crushed. There's no way around it. That's just it comes with the territory. You will encounter these difficult seasons. But crushing is not always destruction, right? Sometimes crushing is the process that produces surrender. So going through this process, it could be a beautiful thing because we saw what Jesus going through what he went through. We saw what it produced by him being obedient, obedient and following that through. And how it shifts the lives and shift the entire world of so many. And this is the beginning, right? We haven't seen the full uh manifestation of what Jesus did yet, right? Until he comes back, his second coming, and then we'll see the fully the full fulfillment. And we'll see it fulfilled in its entirety, the promise. Um and then it's remembering, right, that surrender actually becomes a doorway for to transformation, right? So crushing is the process that produces surrender, and surrender becomes a doorway to transformation, right? And so with that being the case, some points that we can take from Gethsemane, right? Before resurrection comes surrender, right? Jesus had to surrender to the will of God in order to go through that process. Before glory comes crushing, we hear that all the time, you know, the importance of crushing. It's a song when it talks about new wineskin. I think that's Todd Galbert. Um before healing.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Naomi.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

And Naomi is on the air. Before healing comes honesty, before transformation comes dying to self, right? So the question is not whether you would reach a junction. The question is, will your soul lead or will your spirit submit to God? And we that's just something that we deal with daily in every area and every part of our lives. We deal with the struggle of our soul wanting to lead us when we have to submit it unto God. And the enemy wants us to constantly be led by our soul. And we saw that it be it started in the Garden of Eden with Eve, where she was led by her flesh, she was led by her soul. So, do you have anything you want to add?

SPEAKER_02 50:16

No.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

No. So this was a tough one. Um I think we did good on time too. But this was a really tough one. This, you know, this is a really felt like a really heavy episode.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Um I have um C C win into my head.

SPEAKER_00 50:39

What? Uh yeah, yeah. But I guess that does come into total surrender. I mean, that does go hand in hand. But it it was it's a really tough word because it's not easy going through that. It's not easy going through a process of being feeling as if you are in deep anguish and grief as you're trying to grapple with or come to terms with the will of God. And sometimes it even feels like you're alone because we have so many other people that's not doing it. They're not totally surrendered.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

No, because they like their sense of control.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

So sometimes it may feel like you're alone, but you still just have to go through that process. You're not alone, but you feel like you're alone.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Right?

SPEAKER_01 51:37

Because you're getting crushed. And we all know to make olive oil, you have to crush olives.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Yeah. And this is just what comes with the territory. Jesus told us that we would go through suffering just like he went through suffering. He told us we would be persecuted like he was persecuted. He told us that like we we're gonna be mocked, he was mocked.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Yeah. We're gonna be lied on.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

All of those different things. And it's not easy going through it, but it comes with the territory. Count it all joy. And so, um, prayerfully,

Closing Encouragement And Final Warnings

SPEAKER_00 52:15

this has been a blessing to you all. Uh, we are a little late. We're posting this week. We were supposed to post Tuesday. This looks like this is gonna go out Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Today is Wednesday. It's Thursday.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Today is Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Yes, and no? Yeah. Oh, today's Wednesday because it's trash day.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Yeah, so we'll be posting.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

But yesterday was Tuesday? Yeah. Yeah, yesterday was Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

And then, you know, God was dealing with us in prayer, me specifically in prayer Sunday. And I was praying about something else, and he, the first thing he said is that you need to make sure you're posting every Tuesday.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

I thought we were supposed to post on Thursdays.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

No, we we was posting on Tuesdays, it moved to Thursdays, but we were initially posting on Tuesdays.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Were we?

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

I have the um But yeah, he was dealing with me on the podcast and saying that we I we gotta do better. So that's also that crushing, that obedience, that submitting to the obedience of God, even though we have things going on in life, it does not matter because the God is the priority. It's God, our our marriage, our family, and everything else. So even as we're saying to you all, you know, go through this journey, we are also having to submit ourselves as well in the midst of being uncomfortable. So yeah. You looking at my iPad?

SPEAKER_01 53:46

Nah. I'm just thinking about all the crushing.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

Oh. You like the color, though, right?

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Nah. It looks like poop.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

It don't look like poop.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

It does look like diarrhea.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

It don't. Brown is my favorite color.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

But that's not really brown, it's like an orange.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

This is a brown, ma'am. This is definitely a brown.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

It is in the brown family.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

This it's it's brown.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

It is not brown.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

It's a brown.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Your pants is brown.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

This is a it's in the brown family. This is a lighter brown. Everyone, this is a brown, right? I hope y'all can see this. This is a brown. This is a brown. That's a brown.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Well, it's kind of like your skin color.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

It's not. I'm not gonna go there. Which is don't, don't.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

A light, light.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Choose your words very carefully.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Brown.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Choose your words very carefully.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

You do brown.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

So brown is my favorite color followed by green.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

I was about to say, because brown is not your favorite color.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

Green followed by brown. Brown used to be my top favorite color.

SPEAKER_01 54:56

When?

SPEAKER_00 54:57

Back in the day when I was young.

SPEAKER_01 54:59

That doesn't count.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

It does.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

I'm like, brown's your favorite. Brown is not your favorite color. It's green.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

It's green and brown.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Brown, you just added that. That's new.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Nah.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Those that need to be.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

You never asked me to buy you any of these.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Day ones, no. The day ones, no. I got so much brown in the closet. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Because brown is the one.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

I don't got brown because it go with everything. I got brown because it's one of my favorite colors.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

That is a lie.

SPEAKER_00 55:27

That is the truth.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

I don't believe that.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

That is the truth. You can have more than one favorite color, right, everyone? Yes. They're saying right. You can have more than one favorite color. And I have two. It's green and it's brown.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Oh, well, that's new to me.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

That's new. It's not new to me.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

It's new to me.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

It's not new to me. It's always been what it's been.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

That's new this year.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yes. No, that's been the case.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

No, it's just. It doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

It means everything.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

I got a bunch of brown in the closet.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

Do you? Do you?

SPEAKER_01 56:09

I do.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Brown is not your favorite color.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Brown, I don't have a favorite color color. You don't have a favorite color. I don't have a favorite color.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

I asked my wife what her favorite color was, and she was like, she don't have one. That was interesting. But we're not going to get into all of that because this ain't our podcast. This is his.

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Well, we're here in the midst of the podcast. It is what? One o'clock in the morning on a what's the day? It's Wednesday morning.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

We got to get ready to go. Anyhow, yes, Brown is another.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

You guys pray for us.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Pray our strength in the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

Keep us in your prayers. God is good. God guide us, but just keep us in your prayers. And we will have an amazing testimony after everything is said and done. But know in one of the instances, we've gotten the victory. God has been good.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

We've got the victory.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

The lies have been exposed.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Victory.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Victory. And the testimony that we will have to share about it will be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

Right. So remember, when people are coming up against you, God got you.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

God got it. You may want to take matters into your own hand. Yes. Believe it in God's hand. I tell you that when God, I tell my wife this all the time. When God, the the biggest thing when you're dealing with stuff, you just want to know. It don't matter what everybody else is saying and what they're doing. The question is, what is God saying about the situation? So you always try to find out what the word of the Lord is over the situation because his word brings life. And when you find out what God says about the situation, when you find out what the Father says about the situation, and you know without a shadow of a doubt, it's what he's saying, you stand on that word.

unknown 57:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Because I promise you, you stand on that word. It will come to pass because he said it.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

It might take some time.

SPEAKER_00 58:03

It may take some time. They may be coming at you. They may be talking trash. It may be all of these different things, but I don't care. I'm telling you, because there's been multiple instances in my life where God spoke a word, and it did not seem like that word was going to be the case. And I watched as that, and he would remind me in the in the most challenging moments as we was going through certain things of that word. And I watched as God brought that word to pass.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

It's almost like I was just thinking about like, you know how the FBI or GBI, they like allow these criminals to continue to keep doing criminal activities so that they could keep building up their case, building up a Rico, building up all this evidence against them so that when they finally are ready to take them down, they have everything laid out.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

And I would just say that, bro.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

They have everything laid out.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

It would do you better to be judged by a judge on earth than to be judged by God.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

Because just because God is allowing you to con or allowing people to continue to keep getting away with stuff, it's just He's just building up a case.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

You're not getting away with it.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

You're not.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

The Bible says God will not be mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall also he shall that shall he also reap. Once again, the Bible says, Yeah, the Bible says that God will not be mocked. I believe it says it in Galatian. He will not be mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. It doesn't matter whether you are a follower of Christ or not.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

Yeah, that it applies to the word.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

You are still subjected to that word because that is a law of the spirit. And we are all subjected to the law of the spirit, whether we believe in them or not.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

So if you are continually uh being allowed to do corrupt things, you will reap.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

You are going to reap that. You are going to reap a harvest of it. A hundredfold. You don't have, you don't have a say in how large that harvest is that you will reap, or how you reap that harvest, or who that harvest will be tied to. Yes. It could be tied to your children. It could be tied to your children's children.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Or your mama or your family.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:21

You can put yourself up under a curse. And then the other thing I would say to you all is be very careful. The Bible clearly says what? Touch not my prophets, neither do touch not my anointing, neither do my prophets any harm. Don't mess with God's children. It's the worst thing you could do.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

It's the worst thing you can do.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

I know we always dropping these little pearls at the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:47

It's the worst. The Bible says we know that vengeance belongs to God.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

So do.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

Please don't. I'm begging you, do not mess with the children of God. Don't. Don't mess with God's anointed people. Please don't. The same God that sent she bears out.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

People will start dropping.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

Bruh, it's not a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Dropping like flies.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

Y'all be looking at this, wondering why people are dropping down and all of this stuff. Like, do not do it. Leave it alone. Don't mess with it. Don't mess with it. I wouldn't recommend it. But you know, to each its own. So that's that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

Um let that be a warning.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

That's that. Do what you may with it. Be encouraged. Uh, and we appreciate you all. Uh, we're definitely praying for you. Pray for us. And we will see you on our next time that we post. Based on what God has been telling us, we are supposed to be posting it each week. So technically, we should see y'all next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:51

And I should have posted about a year ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

Yeah, you gotta get that together too.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:55

I'm gonna get it together. Oh, well, I mean, I guess tidbits, I guess more on grief. Yes. Periphily next week when I put out the part one and part two.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

Because grief is deep.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Yep. But nevertheless, uh be blessed. We appreciate you all. We love you. And we will see you next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

Have a good one.

unknown 1:02:18

Bye.